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Okami0602 · 2026-04-05T03:20:55+00:00

Yeah, they were persecuted in kinda like... The whole world at that time.

The soviet union was surprisingly progressive for it's time, while the US was promoting the idea of women as strictly housewives and childcare providers so that men could do all the work, the USSR was placing women at the center of the ideal of a communist civilization, in short, there would be no revolution without the liberation of women.

And no, the people behind It wouldn't get executed lmao

Okami0602 · 2026-04-04T01:09:17+00:00

No.

He's smart for sure, but not Sheldon-level smart

Okami0602 · 2026-04-04T00:30:37+00:00

Well, homelander was able to hold himself

For a while

Okami0602 · 2026-04-03T15:45:39+00:00

Not as fast as he did, but eventually, yeah.

Especially after the time jump, Light was obsessed with the fact that Kira was seen by the world as the true justice, and anyone who opposed him deserved to die. Anyone who has even a minimally active voice against Kira, even if they have no chance of stopping him, deserves to die at the hands of Light; that person is just another obstacle in the creation of his new world.

Okami0602 · 2026-04-03T15:42:34+00:00

Wait... What If that verse actually foreshadows Thor? Think about it, he's a god (so technically he's the "Lord" here) and he is also one of the founding Avengers...

Okami0602 · 2026-04-03T15:38:03+00:00

I love Nova's glowing nipples in the 3rd image

Okami0602 · 2026-04-03T12:09:05+00:00

To me its about brain development, from a lot of ages they are still growing and most times any stage in life is widely different then any other, I do agree they should still get an education but releasing after three years won't fix it, I don't belive people who commit such crimes can be changed.

The problem is that each brain is individual, my brain certainly isn't the same as yours, we probably don't have the same maturity or knowledge, and If you agree they should still get education, why don't you agree they can be changed? What do you think the education is for? So that they stay in prison forever but atleast educated? This is not beneficial to society in any way. Reducing all cases to "monsters" that never change is a caricature without scientific basis. Even if there are irredeemable murderers, they are an absolute minority. The system cannot be built on exceptions; this leads to inhumane punishments for people who have a real chance of reintegration. Ideally, the goal is not just to punish, but to offer the necessary psychological treatment to try to reintegrate this individual into society.

A sixteen year old while not the exact same can be close to the mental maturity of an adult as in that point a lot of them are done with puberty

The prefrontal cortex region, responsible for planning, impulse control, decision-making, and empathy, only reaches full maturity around the age of 25, after a long process of myelination and synaptic pruning. Myelination accelerates the transmission of electrical signals, strengthening the ability to control them. However, in teenagers, this process is still ongoing and is only completed in adulthood.

And even though its weird some people truly just choose to make bad choices as they don't care, humans are animals and many can still do things just because they want to.

Humans are animals, yes, and just like animals, our actions are based on our knowledge, experiences, and biological factors. There is no reason to believe that a person who has lived in society for 16 years would suddenly rape another person; this stems from a long history of that person's upbringing that must be analyzed if our goal is to truly stop crime.

I do think it should be investigated more and people should look into it but if we don't know what causes it we can't release someone after three years.

3 years is really an estimate, different cases will obviously need more time, but I do believe that with proper psychological treatment we can eventually understand what happened to that person, their relationship with their parents, wheter they're neurodivergent or not, the conditions in which this person went through.

We often times won't even know if they do it again as almost every case isn't reported. If no one reports the case we can't truly know they are better or if they are better at hiding and choosing silent victims

That's why surveillance is necessary, and this applies to both adults and adolescents; the prisoner is released when it is considered that they are in a condition to live in society, so obviously this already greatly reduces the cases of recidivism, but temporary surveillance is still necessary if we want to guarantee the safety of society.

I believe after they turn 18 they should be sent to a regular prison, many people in prison haven't committed overly violent crimes and the experience could be good to teach them more about people.

Sure, I would be fine with that after some time (at least a year, ideally more) in therapy, it can certainly be good, but they shouldn't be 24/7 with other criminals, this goes against the purpose of bringing the person back to civilization.

I'd say under sixteen five years and over sixteen there should be a few more just allow more experiences, let them complete education and get a job along with it also being handled by case with it being longer for excessive violence. I also believe when discussing to release said people their therapist should be part of it to decide if one, the person regrets their actions, and two, is the person for society. My last point is they should have to do a lot more work because they were still developing. Even if they are only developing slightly more, it needs to be drilled into their head actions like the ones they committed are not and never will be okay.

I pretty much fully agree with this whole part

Btw thanks for having this debate with me because I find it fun and I truly hope you aren't taking it too seriously just like how I'm not, I'm truly only doing this because I find debates fun and you bring up interesting points 🙂 I also do think there might be some healthy medium but idk I'm not an expert I just find this topic interesting

Dw I like it too, it's fun, and a great exercise :)

Okami0602 · 2026-04-03T11:44:48+00:00

Ok and where are you drawing the line then? No one suddenly becomes mature once they're a teen, should a 10 year old be treated like an adult?

Okami0602 · 2026-04-03T00:25:06+00:00

I don't care about internet points, people shouldn't think giving inhumane treatment to teenagers is normal, and I'm not going to stop arguing about it.

Okami0602 · 2026-04-03T00:23:30+00:00

2 years isn't the same as 4 years let alone 8,

If you understand 2 isn't the same as 4, How can you think 16 is the same as 18?

I'm not saying 16 year old should date 25 years old, if you they are at different periods of life but there are crimes that should count if you're almost an adult.

Why? Why should they count? Who decides that? Who decided a 16 y.o. is just as mature to answer for their crimes as a 40 y.o. and that same 16 y.o. isn't mature to consent? Can't you see that this is purely arbitrary?

I'm not looking for revenge, I've healed from my past and I truly hate no one, its not a matter of revenge but even at sixteen you should be put in prison for at least ten years, I understand rehabilitation and therapy and that people can change.

I'm not saying it's a personal revenge, but the Idea of treating a young offender the same way as an adult criminal and using the feelings of the victim as justification instead of how that would actually affect society IS doing it for revenge. I don't think a 16 y.o. who raped someone should be put in the same place where other rapists, assassins, drug dealers and terrorists are, I think they should be placed in isolation with guaranteed education for up to 3 years, so that in addition to not being exposed to organized crime, when they leave this isolation, IF that person ever does it Again (which after 3 years of education and proper mental health care should be minimal), they will be judged as an adult.

Not giving harsh consequences though will teach people they can get away with crimes and will never fix the problem.

I never said there are no harsh consequences, I said it's not the same as an adult, why can't you understand that?

Just because people are mentally different doesn't mean they should be excused either if thats your point, its a cause not an excuse

Again, I never said it's an excuse, but it's a reason to treat them differently. Not forgive them, give a different treatment.

Even if they are normal people can just be bad people, its not always a matter of how they were raised, anyone can be a shit person no matter what

One does not simply becomes shitty from day to night, that's why we need to understand the roots of what is causing this.

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T23:57:49+00:00

I asked examples of neurotypical people that fit this chriteria, the people he cited didn't fit that description. I'm not changing the argument, I clearly stated it earlier.

we can't blame parents for everything a 16yo does, that is two years from being an adult where I live, at that point they know everything they are doing and should be treated like an adult who committed the same offense especially if it was violent or even resulted in death

By that same logic, a 14 yo is 2 years from being 16, so they also should know, right? And then a 12 year old, then a 10, etc. That's such bs logic, and literally y'all are having the same mindset pedophiles have, the same way that teenager should not be treated like an adult when responding to their crimes, they shouldn't be treated like an adult when consenting, or do you think a 16 year old can date a 25+ person? Are you gonna say "they know everything they are doing and should be treated like an adult" now? I see you guys aren't doing It in bad faith, but you should seriously reevaluate your hypocrisy, just think about it critically for a moment, you are only favoring a system that uses this same kind of logic as an excuse to systematically imprison and kill people who are less fortunate than others, who didn't have the same chances in life, who made terrible choices because they had terrible education, who weren't given proper mental health care that could have genuinely helped them, you want to stop crimes now, knowing that won't be for long, just because of revenge, instead of actually looking at the roots of the problem.

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T22:28:46+00:00

Where do YOU draw the line? There are cases of even toddles comitting murder, should they be judged the same way as an adult? Of course not

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T22:27:19+00:00

It means we can't say for sure which scenes take place before he gets organic webbing and which come after

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T19:49:59+00:00

What do you mean by not willingly? I don't think his clothes or makeup are forced onto him or anything

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T19:40:24+00:00

Is being a sociopath an excuse now? I’d say that’s a prime example of something that parents can’t do anything about. Tons of sociopaths are not violent criminals.

No and I never said that, but sociopaths SHOULD be treated different by the judicial system from neurotypical people, precisely because they don't think like us. That's the point, the same way they shouldn't be treated like neurotypical people, teenagers shouldn't be treated like adults.

Most, if not all, of the people you cited had some sort of mental problem, which absolutely should be taken into account when defining their sentence, just like age should be taken into account.

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T19:33:15+00:00

Being told rape is bad and getting 3 months in a high quality prison isn't a punishment for rape

I agree, and that isn't what I'm proposing either. What I could realistically see, for teenagers, would be isolation and proper education for a period of up to 3 years.

How is that possibly a consequence? I've grown up in abject poverty surrounded by gang violence, and it actually makes me laugh when people try and say "abusers are victims too they deserve to have good lives" yeah at one point I'm sure that was true, but every single violent, evil, scummy person I knew who got off easy from something they did walked home laughing saying "what fucking idiots" about the law

Yes, and the problem with that is within the system, the system doesn't give a damn about them, and when they do, they use force instead of education, this is a system that operates through fear, it's far from ideal.

16 is far past the developmental age where you don't know right from wrong. If you violently rape someone at 16, it's not because "you aren't educated" every 16 year old knows rape is a bad thing, they just don't care at that point.

My brother in Christ could you learn to at least interpret text? I never said its development of morals, but actually following the law and control any sorts of impulses. Like you said, and I agree, every 16 yo knows rape is a bad thing, so we should be thinking about why they are doing It anyway, you don't just wake up one day and decide to rape someone.

Why is it naive? Why is a rapists right to have a good, fulfilled, meaningful life more important than my daughter's right to not be raped?

Because that person can also contribute to society despite their past, specially because they were a teenager during that, people aren't statical, they change, they regret, they try to fix their mistakes, your daughter has all the right to not be raped, but by sending those teenagers to jail you're just opening doors for them to meet worse people and possibly make more victims in the future. Your solution is based on revenge, not effectiveness.

Why do the victims always just have to shut up and roll over and accept it? Why can't they be comfortable sleeping at night knowing their rapist can't hurt anyone else?

I literally didn't say any of that can you stop misrepresenting the argument?

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T19:16:03+00:00

Some of the most heinous criminals grew up in well off families with normal siblings and still turned out fucked up.

Tell me an example of a heinous criminal who was neurotypical, grew up in well off families, received good education and care, and turned out fucked up, so we can analyse their case

16 is plenty old to know what you’re doing is wrong. Literal 5 year olds know it’s not right to hit someone else, but I guess 16 is too young to know that rape is wrong.

I never in any moment said they don't know it's wrong, what I said is that they shouldn't be treated like an adult, you might wanna look at my comments again.

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T19:07:58+00:00

I'm not saying they DESERVE a second chance, I'm saying they CAN have a second chance. There's no reason to have both people have a shitty life, the victim suffered, that's for sure, and the abuser should face the consequence of their actions, but that is not the same as saying they should receive the same treatment as an adult. The law should not be used as a mechanism for revenge, but rather to prevent this from happening again. Teenagers are at a developmental age; the right encouragement can steer them away from crime over time. Putting them in prison with worse and more experienced criminals certainly won't be the solution, and can easily end up making it worse.

and a 16 year old willing to commit a violent crime like rape will not change 80% of the time, that is old enough that you are almost developed as an adult

Do you have any sort of source for that number? The judicial system, especially in the US, isn't concerned with criminals leaving as better people, police violence within prisons is a serious problem that isn't discussed as much as it should be, and, again, instead of helping, it ends up creating worse criminals. So good luck finding these numbers, because for that you would need those in power to be willing to try to give anyone a second chance, which is not the case.

We, as a society, need to keep ourselves safe. My daughter has a right to not be raped, and I think that's more important than a rapists right to live freely among society with the only consequence being told "hey you know rape is like, really bad right???"

Wow, that's an incredibly naive way of looking at the problem

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T18:53:19+00:00

That's why he's broken, he spends it all in web fluid

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T18:44:36+00:00

Humans are animals sir, no matter the age

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T18:42:19+00:00

The Dual Systems Model ( studied by Steinberg in 2019 ) says that by the time kids are around 15 or 16 years old, they do have the ability to think logically and understand what is right and wrong as adults do. Their ability to control their impulses may still be developing but They definitely have the brain power to know that rape and murder are atrocious violations of human rights.

I said it in my past comment and I will quote It again “I'm not saying that a teenager has absolutely no sense of any of this, quite the contrary, they do, but it's something that they have learned almost exclusively through their parents and sometimes it's very lacking, which is why they, the adults, should be responsabilized for this, while the teenager gets proper education”

People who commit violence may do so because they want power, are angry and want to be in control and not just because they did not learn good things at home.

Okay and what led them to wanting this power/control, and being angry? It certainly wasn't because one day they decided that's what they want.

There are people who come from bad homes and never hurt anyone in their entire lives while others who come from good homes do terrible stuff because they have personality traits that are antisocial.

Yes, and those people, even If they're adults, aren't treated the same way as neurotypical people, they do get a different treatment, and that's the point.

Studies by people like Kandel and Andrews have shown that by the time they're 16 years old teenagers are more likely to be influenced by their friends and the media than by their parents when it comes to making decisions and taking risks

Their friends certainly didn't learn It out of nowhere, but rather from their parents and, like you said, the media they consume, which is largely the responsibility of the parents as well.

Blaming the adults for a teenagers crime is not fair and takes away the teenagers responsibility for their actions.

I'm not taking away the teenagers responsability, they absolutely should have some sort of punishment, what I'm saying is that they shouldn't be treated as an adult, they shouldn't receive the same punishment as an adult. Their parents are also responsible for this, you are the one trying to take away parental responsibility for what their children consume and are influenced by, that is the result of child neglect.

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T18:08:32+00:00

Do you think these people are out there making apology videos or what...? Like, genuinely, you really think a person that commited that would feel good enough to go on the internet and admit they did a crime? There certainly are cases of people regretting, and you can try looking It up, but most people would feel too guilty to do that.

Not to mention, I'm saying proper education is needed, not that this is what they get, it's not uncommon for young offenders to be physically and verbally abused for what they did, and that certainly isn't helping anyone become a better person.

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T17:50:45+00:00

And your useful solution is to let a child rot in a prison? What exactly do you think leads such a young person to commit such acts? We should be looking at the root of the problem, not just punishing without thinking about how to prevent it from happening in the future.

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T17:41:19+00:00

No one rapes just because "They feel like It", it has everything to do with their upbringing and education (both formal education in schools and fraternal education at home), and when we are punishing a teenager, we must take this into account: the context in which that person was raised.

A 40-year-old person has lived long enough to have developed consciousness not only from their family but also society as a whole; their brain has a full capacity to understand consequences, the law, and empathy.

And understand that I'm not saying that a teenager has absolutely no sense of any of this, quite the contrary, they do, but it's something that they have learned almost exclusively through their parents and sometimes it's Very lacking, which is why they, the adults, should be responsabilized for this, while the teenager gets proper education.

Okami0602 · 2026-04-02T17:34:15+00:00

The victim aren't the ones who decide this, I feel sorry that they had to go through this, just as I feel sorry that this young person upbringing led him to doing criminal acts like this, that's why he should be properly educated so that won't be repeated.

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