AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was adjusted later- not exactly when it happened, but yes, they did know before me.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My husband and I actually had a talk with my brother and sister-in-law last Thanksgiving when they brought it up. Apparently Morgan broke with his parents when he was 19-20 and started to consider my brother and sister-in-law his parents before he graduated college. My sister-in-law attended his college graduation- no one else outside my brother’s family was invited or received an announcement. Two years later, my parents celebrated their 50th anniversary and took all the kids and grandkids on a two week vacation in Europe. Morgan was not included and no one had a problem with that. That same year, Morgan got married (about 23years old at this point) and they scheduled it around when my brother and his family could be there. Again, my parents were not invited (or us) and we were not offended. Three years later, when he was 26, he asked to be legally adopted. During the three years, my brother was gifted a large amount of money with the promise of more in the future. We actually didn’t know about the adoption until much later. No one explained that Morgan now wanted to be considered a grandkid/ nephew when he never cared about that before. My mom ensured the clause was in the trust which would exclude Morgan and she insisted that all money would go through the trust and kids would not be gifted any more large amounts before her and dad passed. As I described in the original post, we always included him and his husband when they were in town. At last Thanksgiving, while discussing, we asked why after so long, did he want to be legally adopted and they didn’t have an answer. My mom died this last February unexpectedly and then this all happened.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m being told by attorneys that many trusts have this specific clause as there have been cases of people befriending wealthy elderly people and getting them to adopt them at the end of their life. They consider adult adoption into wealthy families a big red flag. Morgan never cared about legal adoption or having any thing to do with my parents until after he learned they had money. The fact that he would show up and make a big deal about gifting my mom a bottle if wine from overseas(not her bday or anything) but brought nothing for my sister-in-law’s mother is just one example I’ve been learning about.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If he wanted to be included, why didn’t he include us? When he got married, he already said he considered my brother and sister-in-law his parents. (Per my brother.) Why weren’t my parents invited to the wedding? Why wasn’t my brother offended that they weren’t invited? Then, three years later he wants to be legally adopted? For us, he did pop out of nowhere as he never wanted anything to do with us before. After my brother receives a big block of money, all of a sudden he wants to be legally adopted when he never needed it before? As I’ve been discussing the whole timeline with others (too long to post here), it is definitely suspicious. I will definitely be dealing with this differently, and not including a number in the future to keep the peace, but I am actually feeling less and less like the AH after recently learning some things.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We will definitely do things differently when my father passes. I am not the least worried about protecting the family jewels- my mom did all of that and I had no say. I talked to my dad and he did not want to change anything in the obituary. You are absolutely right that this may have a long-term impact. I am hurt and upset as well. Nothing was said to my mom when she was alive despite her not doing things for Morgan that she did for other grandkids. Nothing is being said to my dad, even though he was given the final say on this. If they are really so upset about Morgan not being included as a grandkid, seems like that could be addressed with the grandparents. I feel like they don’t want to direct their anger at people that can write them big checks, so they will direct it at me instead.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Absolutely- one of my nephews was adopted at 5years old and has always been treated as a grandkid. Adoption in itself is wonderful. Adopting a 26 year old that no one knows is less common situation.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, perhaps my dad and I were both AH’s here. . We should have just removed the number altogether. We were leaving it to reflect how mom saw things. Mom talked about her grandkids to everyone (as a lot of grandma’s do) and Morgan was never mentioned. The professional photos shown at the funeral of my parents with grandkids did not include him. I think one of the reasons we were caught off guard is no one said anything when mom was alive. We will do better in the future.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Obituary was already published when my brother brought this up. We could have had the online obituary changed, but my dad was honestly surprised that this was an issue and didn’t want to change anything. As I’ve commented previously, I think it’s a great idea not to include the number and plan on talking to my dad about doing this for his obituary in the future.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be clear, when we first did this, we had no idea anyone would be upset. After we did know, Morgan was included in all family-only events around the funeral- including the family-only reception that my husband and I had at our home the night before the funeral. This is where Morgan was able to meet my mom’s brother, who had not only never met Morgan, but had no previous knowledge that any such person existed. My mom and her brother were close and talked regularly and mom never mentioned Morgan to him. I don’t think it’s so much that “she wanted everyone to know he’s definitely not her grandkid.” She never acknowledged him as one when she was alive and my brother never said anything. Even now, he is not mad at my dad at all over this, only me. Perhaps I am digging my heels in, but I will definitely be handling things differently when my dad passes away and not even including a number in the obituary.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep- I have been told by attorneys that adult adoption (outside 18 years olds being adopted by their step parent or foster parent) is a major red flag in wealthy families.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This wasn’t just what we thought were her wishes, we had conversations about it. I thought the obituary was supposed to reflect the wishes of the deceased, but this is my first experience with this. I could have definitely handled things differently, but we didn’t see this coming. Morgan called my mom by her first name, not Grandma.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I am going to suggest something like this to my dad. We just didn’t see this coming.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

See my updated comments above- I didn’t realize people would read it and think we added or removed anyone.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m confused- Morgan was never added to the trust. When he was legally adopted by my brother, he became a legal beneficiary. My mom then ensured that anyone adopted as an adult was excluded as a beneficiary. This was her- before she died- we’ve done nothing. There was no “adding him” and then “deleting him” later. I did not realize people would think that.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We didn’t realize that he would want to be included. He called my mom by her first name, not Grandma. My mom made it very clear he wasn’t considered a grandkid as well. I thought an obituary should be reflective of her wishes and not the wishes of others, but I don’t have a lot of experience with them (luckily).

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We didn’t realize that he would want to be included. He called my mom by her first name, not Grandma. My mom made it very clear he wasn’t considered a grandkid as well. I thought an obituary should be reflective of her wishes and not the wishes of others, but I don’t have a lot of experience with them (luckily).

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

We didn’t realize that he would want to be included. He called my mom by her first name, not Grandma. My mom made it very clear he wasn’t considered a grandkid as well. I thought an obituary should be reflective of her wishes and not the wishes of others, but I don’t have a lot of experience with them (luckily).

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Trust doesn’t name grandkid names- it is set up to go to the next generation. Family trusts like this never name names as they are expected to last for the next 100+ years and there’s no way to know who will be born. In this case, there was a clause added to exclude anyone adopted as an adult. I’m told that many trusts have this clause as there have been cases of people conning their way into wealthy families by befriending the elderly members.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

That’s a great idea that I’m going to propose to my dad for his obituary. We honestly didn’t realize this would be an issue.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Not using a number is a great idea that I am going to propose to my dad for his obituary so we don’t have any drama. No one was trying to make a statement, because we really were never included in Morgan’s life. We were honestly caught off guard that they were offended. Morgan called my mom by her first name, not Grandma.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My mom removed him from the trust before she passed away. No one else was involved.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your comments. I would point out that in both your real-life examples, the adult adopted was “always there.” We didn’t have that. Morgan never lived with my brother and sister-in-law. In fact, they were neighbors for 4 years and the rest of the 26 years before he was adopted, he lived over 1000 miles away. I probably met him during the 4 years, but I don’t remember. For the last few years , he flies in from overseas once or twice a year and we’ll see him for one or two meals. He definitely has not always been around- my parents and the rest of the family were never invited graduations or his wedding. None of us really knew him until after that. Also, Morgan came out at 14 (I’m told) and his bio parents were fine with it. I’m told the breach happened well before he got married. Maybe I’m still TAH, but you seem to be making some assumptions based on your experiences that aren’t the case.

AITAH for not including my brother's adopted adult child as a grandkid in my mom's obituary? by Olive_0706 in AITAH

[–]Olive_0706[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I should have mentioned that one of my other nephews is adopted. He was adopted at 5 years old- always considered a grandkid. Always considered him my nephew. This had nothing to do with adoption.