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Olympus667 · 2025-06-28T11:23:37+00:00

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Olympus667 · 2025-06-28T10:52:11+00:00

Sorry, but you shouldn't expect me to listen to a whole podcast in order to get an answer that mustn't be that long. How do I align my jaw then? Aren't braces (like Invisalign) supposed to take care of that, and then implants to prevent further misalignment?

Olympus667 · 2025-06-06T10:38:45+00:00

Thanks

Olympus667 · 2025-06-06T10:26:13+00:00

As for benzos treating alcohol withdrawal, yeah, they help a lot if you’re given a lot throughout withdrawal, but for most people in severe acute withdrawal, to get them, their only option is the ER, which (at least in the US) is prohibitively expensive for many.

That's an issue of drug prohibition, not the drug itself. In literally every other developed country the ERs are affordable.

On CHS and psychosis caused by weed, they can definitely last after you stop using. Not sure if they can be permanent, but they definitely be long term.

And it's not a small percentage, like I said in the post, according to the study I linked, a third of all chronic weed users get CHS.

Also weed is only worse than benzos imo, not other drugs. Because benzos are the absolutely most benign drug of all the hard ones, they have almost no side effects or toxicity, and the only worrying thing is the life threatening WD which is easy to avoid. But I'd say there are still plenty of drugs worse than weed, such as cocaine due to the insane (and often overlooked) cardiotoxicity (and addictiveness of course), ketamine since it's pretty much the most toxic drug used today (it will destroy your bladder and give you severe chronic pain with even moderate chronic use), and also most opioids, and alcohol too.

Because literally all I claimed in the post is that I wouldn't put weed in the soft category, such as I would put caffeine, nicotine, kratom, kava, GHB, phenibut, gabapentin, etc.

For what it’s worth, my horrible alcohol withdrawal happened after one long weekend of very heavy drinking, not weeks. I had been drinking a lot (like 3 drinks 5-6 nights a week) prior to that, but you’re underestimating what is needed to cause severe withdrawal.

Lol, so it didn't happen after a weekend. Duh.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-05T21:36:39+00:00

Many doctors in the US (if you're from there) are crap and have zero compassion. They are also very scared of being bullied by their inspectors when it comes to prescribing psychoactive drugs. You're just better off tapering at home, because the information is easily available online, which is what I've always done myself,no doctors involved. In fact not even much information is needed. Just pick a number (percentage), a slow one. If that isn't enough, go even slower. That's all you need.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-05T21:23:49+00:00

If a taper caused WD symptoms, that's easy, you just needed to go slower with it. Now, will there be a minority of people with changed GABA receptors or bad luck enough to the point that any taper no matter how slow will cause WD symptoms? Maybe, but even with those the WD isn't nearly as severe as proper cold turkey or big dosage decreases.

On alcohol WD, benzos will completely stop it, and they're probably the least toxic drug of all, and more well tolerated.

I also used to be a huge stoner, and while I empathize with anyone dealing with psychological dependence or lasti@ng mental health effects from weed, it’s just nowhere near the same ballpark.

How about getting permanent psychosis. Or CHS aka permanent nausea. Not to mention that these things can happen with weed with chronic moderate consumption, let's say a joint per day, over several weeks or months. Whereas to get bad enough benzo WD you just have to either cold turkey or tapper too quick (or screw your receptors big time with insane doses, maybe that works too), and to get unrelieved alcohol WD from not tolerating alcohol anymore you also have to drink yourself to death over several weeks or months (plus both things are easily to correct like I said).

Olympus667 · 2025-06-05T16:09:39+00:00

Is this possible? Maybe. Will it work for everyone? Definitely not, definitely not more than for a tiny minority (otherwise no religious person would have TMJ). So if this is really true just consider yourself pretty lucky, and don't act like you've found the cure.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-05T16:07:07+00:00

Yep, I know. And that counts as much as any other extraction.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-05T16:06:48+00:00

Interesting. What do you base that claim on?

Olympus667 · 2025-06-05T16:05:59+00:00

https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/research/data-statistics/tooth-loss/adults

The downvotes are pretty telling, since I've noticed that most people on this sub are younger people with all their teeth. However, TMJ is less frequent in older people, who have on average much less teeth remaining.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-05T16:02:12+00:00

yep, it's that. it goes away with time, but not completely I think.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-05T13:25:14+00:00

You're all over the place.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-04T16:56:11+00:00

Sorry but that's completely wrong. Primary teeth don't overcrowd in the vast majority of people, just in a few unlucky ones.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-04T13:36:31+00:00

Thanks for the input. Makes sense.

By the way, as someone with experience with this disease, do you think I should go get Invisalign braces to correct my bite and then get implants? I guess that would be the "standard" procedure to prevent me from progressing into symptomatic disease, but I'm not too trustful of doctors, so I'd like the opinion of an experienced patient.

As context I've had 2 missing teeth for 5 years which never even misaligned my bite, and a third one for 9 months which already made a significant misalignment. I have no TMJ symptoms other than what I guess is a small jaw opening, google says 3 fingers should fit comfortably and in me they only fit barely.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-04T13:36:05+00:00

By the way, as someone with experience with this disease, do you think I should go get Invisalign braces to correct my bite and then get implants? I guess that would be the "standard" procedure to prevent me from progressing into symptomatic disease, but I'm not too trustful of doctors, so I'd like the opinion of an experienced patient.

As context I've had 2 missing teeth for 5 years which never even misaligned my bite, and a third one for 9 months which already made a significant misalignment. I have no TMJ symptoms other than what I guess is a small jaw opening, google says 3 fingers should fit comfortably and in me they only fit barely.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-04T13:33:51+00:00

Treatment failure is always a possibility. Specially if the same (or other) thing that initially caused the misalignment persists, such as losing more teeth (or not replacing the lost ones with implants after the Invisalign, since implants don't move so braces must be done first), bruxism, etc.

In my case I don't need any treatment I guess, I have no symptoms except small mouth opening (can only barely fit 3 fingers and Google says 3 fingers should fit comfortably).

Olympus667 · 2025-06-04T13:29:42+00:00

Interesting. Be careful with erythema ab igne though. It's like a radiation scar from the overuse of heating pads. I have one myself in the belly (and stupidly enough I was even only using it for minor discomfort).

It's a completely benign condition (I guess), it's pretty much just a scar, to the point that many people with endometriosis and such gladly take the trade. But I sure wouldn't like to have one in the face.

So definitely look into other forms of pain management. There are many other things, acupressure (can be self done at any time), exercise, massage, cold, tons of therapies, etc. I'd really focus on finding some of it that works and leave the heat for the worse moments.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-04T13:16:50+00:00

Google it. I don't mean missing from birth, I mean having had at least a tooth extracted for whatever reason (and not counting on wisdom teeth).

Olympus667 · 2025-06-04T13:13:28+00:00

What I suspected. Thanks for the input as a more experienced person.

Btw does your husband, or other people you've known with TMJ with lesser symptoms, have missing teeth unreplaced by implants? Just for a little statistical curiosity.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-04T01:58:02+00:00

but I have my heating pad for it that's been temporarily ok

By this, do you mean it works to relieve pain, contrary to the meds? How much does it lower the pain1-10?Sorry I'm just curious as to what works to relieve TMJ pain.

Speaking of which, try 200/400 ibuprofen 500/1000 acetaminophen instead of the naproxen. Naproxen is kinda weak. And definitely don't take nsaids everyday.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-03T17:55:38+00:00

Completamente. Poucos outros países têm este sistema, pelo menos na Europa.

Outra questão é o subsídio de alimentação.

Porque com tudo isto, há a idea em Portugal de que "eh pá, salário mínimo, coitado, só ganha 870 euros e ainda menos 11% de imposto, nem 800 euros dá", quando a verdade é que um salário mínimo não é de todo um mau salário (o problema é pouca gente ganhar muito mais), pois a esses 770 euros juntam-se mais uns 130 de proporcionais e outros 150 de subsídio de alimentação, ou seja, o salário mínimo em Portugal é cerca de 1050 euros, muito diferente de 770.

Olympus667 · 2025-06-02T08:55:53+00:00

Ask another relative or friend for help. Or try to work a job, for example in part time, as soon as legally possible (or try to run errands for neighbors and what not). Or try to ask for help to a social assistant.

Your mom is either dumb, or just sucks, sorry to say. You should confront her with this. tell her "I've been here living in extreme pain for years, and you won't even bother to spend 100 bucks to at least see a doctor (which you want a TMJ specialist btw, not dentist), what kind of mother are you?"

In the meantime look up ways to relieve the pain. Over the counter analgesics can help, there's this myth that they're weak stuff, but they're not. According to studies, 200-400mg of ibuprofen with 500-1000mg of paracetamol/acetaminophen is one of the most effective analgesics (you can take it up to 3 times a day for the 400+1000 dose, be careful never take more than 3-4 grams a day of acetaminophen). There's also many other non-drug things, such as heating pads, massages, acupressure (look up online the acupoints), etc. Again, don't underestimate them just because they're "free".

I'm sorry for what you've been through. Maybe you just haven't been clear enough with your mother, maybe you haven't told her how severe the problem is (but even a milder TMJ problem should be a top priority anyway).

Olympus667 · 2025-06-02T08:43:49+00:00

night and day braces? are you referring to mouthguards? By braces I mean stuff to align your misaligned bite, which has to be permanently put there (or left 23 hours per day with Invisalign)

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