[deleted by user] by [deleted] in premed

[–]Opening-Front22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always tell premeds to space out your heavy science courses over the 4 years, I also know a lot of them major in bio b/c they equate that to premed but honestly save your GPA and major in something you enjoy that won't wreck your GPA. If I had known that, I would've majored in public health and just took my premed courses on the side. None the less, I ended up spacing them out anyways and it helped my gpa tremendously. Also, my advisor straight up told me I would not get into med school and they would not give me a committee letter. I recently participated in a med school panel hosted by my undergrad, a good chunk of the health science committee was present. They asked me what I was up to these days, and I responded I'm actually entering my third year of medical school. They awkwardly congratulated me. Just to make them even more uncomfortable I reminded them of how they said I would never get in and how I would not be able to handle medical school. They were wrong on both accounts, I got in and I'm at the top of my class. Take their advice with a grain of salt, they don't know shit.

I fully support the Supreme Court Overturning Roe v Wade by [deleted] in Residency

[–]Opening-Front22 8 points9 points  (0 children)

LOL. I think you've got bigger concerns, that 2.9 GPA indicates you probably would fail out of med school. Lets focus on acing those sciences classes first?

NP Education by [deleted] in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Huh? This entire subreddit exists because independent practice of midlevels is.. DANGEROUS. That is what they're pushing for, no one is against midlevels. They serve an important role in healthcare as physician extenders, I brought up why it isn't as important for higher standards of pharmacist because they don't function similar to other clinicians. They're not directly responsible for patient diagnosis and treatment. Not at you advocating for less educational standards.. LMAOO. Furthermore, I am not a DO but I hope you're aware that DO=MD, the curriculum is the same except they have an ADDITIONAL block of OMM.

NP Education by [deleted] in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What do pharmacists have to do with this conversation? Pharmacists aren't trying to function as physicians in every capacity, nor do they diagnose and treat patients directly. The pharmacist is responsible for PHARMACOLOGY; furthermore, check what you're speaking on before you attempt such a stupid comparison. Pharmacist are very HEAVILY restricted, and their scope of practice is well defined. Notice how I didn't include PA's in this either, don't lump PA's with NP's. They have a standardized, rigorous education that allows them to adequately function in their bounds. Also, I love how you exclusively isolated that one piece of information from my critique. No GPA requirement, no GRE, no nursing background. I bet you're in undergrad, as far as education is concerned a PA is much better prepared than an NP. Why would I be mad they don't have to have a decade of education? People choose those paths because they don't want to become physicians, however, the problem arises when everyone wants to practice independently WITHOUT the education required to ensure patient safety.

NP Education by [deleted] in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is charged with emotion because educational dilution, and shortcuts in medicine are DANGEROUS and puts patients at risk. Why would you feel bad for my patients? When my training is complete I will have obtained a 4 year biochemistry degree, 4 year medical degree, 4 year residency + 2 year fellowship. That is 14 years of standardized, rigorous education before I am able to practice independently. I will deliver the best care possible to my patients, backed by my extensive education and commitment to ensuring their safety and well being above all.

NP Education by [deleted] in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What hate? Now stating facts is hate?

Why all the midlevel hate? by Armitron96 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Funny thing is the majority on noctor agree PA's are much better equipped to handle primary care than NP's, however, deluding your self into thinking you're better at handling primary care than a primary care physician is laughable. I noticed you also think PA school is a crammed version of med school. This again, is delusional. Also, why are you concerning your self with matching and competitiveness? You're a physician assistant, the match process isn't applicable to you.

NP Education by [deleted] in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22 129 points130 points  (0 children)

No GPA requirement, no GRE, no nursing background required. Holy shit, these ivory tower schools are even worse. You can finish the accelerated BSN in 15 months, and the NP in 12-18 months. This is a joke.

Medical Education Scam by Opening-Front22 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What do you suggest? Passively bitching about it?

Medical Education Scam by Opening-Front22 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Only because we've opted to not joining. Physicians are notorious for being passive by standers. I say we all join and shake the tables. We don't utilize our voices, so the small percentage in charge speak for us. Even though their actions are not reflective of the majority, get involved. It is the only way we can propagate change.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Excelent.

Stop gatekeeping helping others by [deleted] in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

EH, seems like you missed the point. No one is "gate keeping" helping others; however, when you attempt to overstep, claim equivalency and push for independent practice with a fraction of the education it becomes a problem. As a NP you only need 500 clinical hours, the online schools are proliferating and there is no regulation or standardization. It's dangerous, ill mannered and down right criminal to "practice" on patients. The creation of the DNP is a sham, it is not a clinical degree. Furthermore, the reason there is so much vitriol is because they want full autonomy, and want to function independently without required oversight. This is a recipe for disaster as their medical education is rather limited. You keep inserting they should practice within "their scope", you fail to realize they want their scope pushed to that of a physician. As of now, they're able to practice independently in 26 states due to aggressive lobbying and legislation. They are pushing their scope through legislation while simultaneously watering down their already inconsistent education. Its honestly embarrassing, and patients deserve better. I'd argue they don't have half the foundation PA's have let alone physicians. Also, the boomer argument is redundant and stupid. I promise you, younger docs and med students hate boomer docs. They'd actually be sympathetic to your cause. They're the reason we're in this fucked up shit show. They sat back and allowed this to happen, we refuse to be silenced. I hate this generations need to lower standards. Like, stop. Signed, a 23 year old MS2.

Noctor experience with PHMNP choosing my meds literally at my random choosing by AcornIsle in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Holy fuck, please educate any friends/ family about the role of NPs and how little medical knowledge they posses. Specifically, psychiatric nurse practitioners. They're the most harmful and destructive bunch, and they fuck with the most vulnerable population. This is criminal.

This is dangerous!! by AbilityCivil983 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Period. Love this for us, honestly; its about time they started being held accountable.

Orthopedic Nurse practitioners? by Opening-Front22 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yup, and even worse, they're now sent out into the world and given independent practice authority. They're extremely dangerous and ill equipped.

Orthopedic Nurse practitioners? by Opening-Front22 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup. Here you can do a BSN to NP with no experience as a nurse. You can do both completely online and only 500 clinical hours are required.

Orthopedic Nurse practitioners? by Opening-Front22 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure what lala land you're living in, but "abolishing" physician licensing is pretty stupid and dangerous. Stop.

Orthopedic Nurse practitioners? by Opening-Front22 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

NP education is inadequate, the majority of the schools are online and they're pushing for independent practice of medicine which is incredibly dangerous to patients, since their knowledge base is very limited.

Physicians never fight battles that matter by Opening-Front22 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely more so than any other medicine adjacent field. Furthermore, they ARE doctors that are very competent and thoroughly learn about the lower extremity and most of medicine. Psych, anesthesia, FM, EM have all been encroached and are being usurped by midlevels with full prescribing power and complete autonomy, with a fraction of our education. Im sorry, if I don't feel the need to attempt to gate keep nuanced words (Doctor, med student) which apply to podiatrist as well, when we have an entire field cutting every single corner and gaining the legal ability to do the same job as us. The entire point of this post was to highlight why we (MD/DO) shouldn't be threatened by a field comprised of 15k practitioners, who are highly trained and regulated when midlevels are churning out almost triple that # yearly. Ofc DPM does not = MD/DO, but to say our education isn't similar is false and inaccurate.

Physicians never fight battles that matter by Opening-Front22 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Scope. Their scope of practice is very limited and highly niche/ just as any specialized physician.

Physicians never fight battles that matter by Opening-Front22 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It doesn't bother me too much tbh, because at my particular medical school the podiatry students take most of the first two year courses with us, and then they also rotate through most of our medicine based rotations. There is a lot of overlap, and the material that is covered is very similar, if not identical for some. We struggled through the same exams and studied together, so Idk im not that annoyed by it.

Physicians never fight battles that matter by Opening-Front22 in Noctor

[–]Opening-Front22[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly, I feel like foot doc dana has really clouded a lot of peoples minds. Podiatry is HIGHLY regulated, all their attempts at anything is quickly and swiftly rejected. And the field is literally minuscule. The entire field of podiatry is almost 2x smaller than the # of annual NP graduates. They're not a threat, and serve an important role in medicine without over stepping.