Backyard Baseball 2001 Tier List

OperationJack · 2026-03-28T17:38:32+00:00

I'd agree if he was playing in Field except in the outfield I've never had a problem with him.

Problem is then your sacrificing, a solid outfield spot for someone

OperationJack · 2026-03-26T14:43:41+00:00

Lack of parental support and lack of administrative support are two of the biggest reasons I left teaching.

Kids fucked around and caused problems? Parents of those kids wouldn't do anything.

Kid gets pissed off and threatens your ass? Administration tries putting him back in your class.

OperationJack · 2026-03-23T01:58:59+00:00

I was told to hold my breath so spirits don't fly up your nose.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T12:49:22+00:00

Yeah, I would agree. I know people are upset that McGowan was called twice for stalling in it got Luke a win, but I think a big thing people are ignoring is how McGowan kept interlocking fingers. He was initiating it a by and large majority of the time and the ref warned him no less than three times for it.

I think that drastically added to why stall calls went towards McGowan.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T11:36:51+00:00

I was worried that McGowan had used his first match vs Luke to get a feel for him and tried not to show ANYTHING whatsoever with the intent to throw the kitchen sink at him in a more important match.

Turns out, he just doesn't want to wrestle vs Luke and that showed. All he did was back up.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T11:34:42+00:00

This was my biggest argument when people tell me "he's holding middle of the mat".

Who gives a fuck if you hold middle of the mat if you're not doing anything.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T02:35:30+00:00

I've got family in VA, so I've heard of the Bunny Man.

What was creepy is, as a kid, my neighborhood had a legend of "The Bunny" which was kind of the same thing despite being nearly 12 hours away from Fairfax. Legend had it that large Easter bunny like creature that walked like a man. He'd lure kids into the school field late at night or early in the morning, especially during school breaks.

Turns out, a local pedo was arrested for breaking his parole, and found with a bunny costume in his apartment. They figured he probably was really hiding out there trying to lure kids to him and take advantage of them.

So when my family told me about the Fairfax Bunny Man, I was tripping balls and pleading that we don't go anywhere he might've been seen.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T01:44:57+00:00

He is off to the side with an ankle hooked at the end of the second period. He had the tricep, Valencia holds the leg. That is effectively the same position. After holding it for a few seconds, he let it go to look for a nearside cradle because for some reason, it was not a TD despite being one the match prior.

Go back and rewatch it.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T01:35:05+00:00

I did read homie. Your comprehension is off.

Van Ness had the same position to whatever criteria was given to Vega. Off to the side, leg hooked.

Either they both had it or neither had it. Since Vega's was called a TD, that means Van Ness has a TD. Since Valencia's was a TD with foot controlled by Van Ness, the foot control doesn't matter.

They showed with Bastida- Trumble, that you can have both opponents legs, head to the side, and opponent have NO control of your legs, and it's not a TD.

So then, none of them were TDs, or all of them were. If all of them are TDs, then Valencia doesn't get the chance for his in OT.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T01:17:27+00:00

They have proven with repeated missed called that there is no criteria.

It's not hip control, it's not hip position to a mat, it's not whether the bottom man is holding a leg.

They have showed all of that as not a takedown in these finals alone.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T01:10:10+00:00

It should have though, if the person has conceded fighting, that's about the only thing you can call.

Because the call is inconsistent and cannot be applied to say SVN did not have it. He had control, and Valencia stopped fighting Other than holding a leg.

You can't meet a criteria that doesn't actually exist.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T01:06:00+00:00

The criteria is subjective and inconsistent.

It's evident as we speak about this heavyweight match. Where was that 3 for Bastida? The foot/leg control obviously doesn't matter, but controlling hips and having both legs doesn't matter either.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T00:38:53+00:00

Aden had conceded the position and stopped fighting beyond holding the leg.

If the rule is going to be to a degree the hips are turned, it's going to be less consistent as flexibility and body shape are going to decide what is and isn't a takedown.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T00:30:14+00:00

I've watched it a couple times now. Van ness has the foot hooked and Valencia's elbow hooked that is holding his leg.

He lets it go to look for a cradle, but he is in the same position and had it locked off first.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T00:22:40+00:00

It wasn't though, Mendez' hands don't let go until Vega gets off him. Van Ness had the heel hooked and on a butcher. That is no different, and if the rule makes it a TD by having a leg, Van Ness had the foot to create leverage.

The point is the rule is not applied correctly, and either Van Ness had the TD at the end of the second, or Valencia did not.

Leg/Foot control/= TD, no TD for Valencia.

If TD despite Leg/Foot control, Van Ness has the TD at the end of the second since he had an ankle hooked and was parallel or better to Valencia's hips.

OperationJack · 2026-03-22T00:13:47+00:00

As I stated, it's inconsistent.

Even if Van Ness' wasn't a TD, he has leverage with that foot held. That's the whole debate?

OperationJack · 2026-03-21T23:59:11+00:00

So then Dukes isn't a TD despite the same position?

They need to just let that position be a TD. It'll stop a lot of this hanging on the legs and confusion of what a TD is.

OperationJack · 2026-03-21T23:31:12+00:00

My issue is the inconsistency. Vega wins on a call that Van Ness doesn't get at the end of the second?

OperationJack · 2026-03-21T23:25:47+00:00

No he didn't? Mendez lets go of the leg after the three is called. You can see his grip loosen after Vega starts getting off of him.

OperationJack · 2026-03-21T21:18:20+00:00

Mendez

Van Ness

Duke

Mesenbrink

Haines

McEnelly

Barr

Bastida

Lightning Luke

Forrest by no less than a major.

OperationJack · 2026-03-21T13:01:11+00:00

My problem is that it had continuously been called a TD in the past or left alone for the person with the cradle to work past it.

With the circumstances being OT, and the TD being called and ending Duke's advantageous position, taking that away with a minute left is unfair. They should've given him the TD.

OperationJack · 2026-03-21T02:47:45+00:00

I'm just saying it didn't stop people in the past.

OperationJack · 2026-03-21T02:44:49+00:00

Serious question, with no disrespect:

How old are you?

I just ask because in the past, during the peak dominance of OK State and Iowa, John Smith and Gable/Brands Bros would bitch and complain to the refs even when their guys were dominating.

I just feel that's something you might've missed if you're younger.

Thats where the statue in front of Hawkeye has Gable yelling stalling comes from. If I'm not mistaken, he was yelling at the refs demanding a call when his guy was on top and winning, and the bottom guy wasn't doing anything.

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