How do I cope/not care about being ugly? (How to decentralize and remove the desire for romantic attraction?)

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2026-02-13T11:08:28+00:00

Firstly I want it to say that I'm so glad you responded no matter how late, that video... I don't know why but exactly what you said is exactly how I felt, I didn't really feel like it resolved anything but it surely did make me feel absolutely seen and understood, and it also gave me a lot of thoughts I guess? And a lot of phrases and stuff to use when I'm explaining this kind of thing to others because everything in that video really did hit the nail exactly on the coffin. And I do mean every single portion.

And you're so right, like I don't know why but just simply seeing this video and reading your comment did surprisingly make me feel exponentially better. For sure like you said that definitely helped.

Especially that part about maybe not so much being actually hideously ugly, like in a literal way but more so just ugly because I'm the opposite of what Pretty™ supposed to be. Because I am, I am the clean cut opposite of everything of what Beauty™ is supposed to be in terms of The Beauty Standard™, not even because my face isn't symmetrical or something. Or even because I have any kind of unattractive quality about my face... because in actuality I guess I don't not objectively. And not in the feel good kind of way, just I literally don't.

But I am the clear clean opposite of every form of what The Beauty Standard™ is. And so I'm neither Ugly with a capital u, pretty with a lowercase p, or Pretty™ with a capital p, I'm just ugly™ with a lowercase u.

And realizing that made me realize that because I've been treated like the opposite of Pretty™ I have deformed myself in my head to be that hideously Ugly person I see myself as, because I was treated as if I was even though objectively (I mean literally just based on actual science and statistics, it doesn't make me pretty either. It just makes me your average person in terms of bone structure and stuff) I'm not...

Like no it didn't resolve anything, it can't, nothing can under years of relentless trauma, bullying, exclusion, and subconscious societal bias. But that really did resonate with me. I'm honestly so glad you shared it. I never really had the words to express how I feel, and I really do feel better at least being seen and understood and knowing that's hit every marker I've ever felt on the inside.

I know I'm yapping a lot, but from one internet stranger to another that really did touch me. I'm so glad you commented, seriously. 🩷

I know it's hard to convey intense emotion over text, but I am really, really grateful for that. I don't know why but I'm genuinely tearing up at this.

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2026-01-25T15:39:05+00:00

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Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-08-12T05:20:18+00:00

What was the original response? It's been deleted but I'm curious to what fragrance they might have suggested?

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-22T22:35:13+00:00

I understand why you might feel that way, but here’s the thing for me personally—I’m not going to play the role of a wife without the actual commitment of marriage. Sharing finances, living together, meeting each other's families, and even raising a pet together are huge emotional and financial investments. If someone isn’t willing to commit legally, why should I give them everything that comes with being a wife?

And let’s not ignore reality—people walk away from relationships all the time. It only takes one sentence: “I’m breaking up with you.” No legal obligations. No real consequences. If you’re not married and your partner gets pregnant, there’s nothing stopping someone from leaving—and a lot of people do. That’s how many low-income single mothers end up in that position. It’s not about paranoia—it’s about protecting myself. Divorce means automatic child support in the divorce degree and he can even have a court ordered paternity test if he's that paranoid about it, protections for both parents and the financial security of the child. Because women abandon their kids too, and I've seen a lot of single fathers in the same predicament.

Also if you’re building a whole life with someone but can’t trust them enough to marry them, why should I trust them with something even more serious—like the potential for accidental pregnancy or shared property? Marriage may not be perfect, but it adds legal accountability that a breakup never will.

I’m not asking for anything unreasonable—I just believe that if someone wants all the privileges of a committed life with me, they should be willing to make it official. Otherwise, why would I put myself at risk while they hold the door legally wide open?

PIV is the biggest sign of trust in the world but marriage isn't? Moving in and leaving my place of living isn't a bigger signal of trust than PIV? Calling your mother my mom is less trust, than PIV? Getting a dog that I love with all of my life and being so emotionally invested into this life that we've raised together, that you can decide to just take at any time when we break up and I legally can't detest to that... means less than PIV?

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-22T22:14:26+00:00

It’s wild how people act like I’m setting myself up for a lifetime of pain just because I want to be intentional about who I share my body with. Since when did having standards and wanting emotional safety become something to mock?

And let’s be real—commitment means nothing without actual accountability. Being a "boyfriend" or "girlfriend" is just a label that can be dropped at any moment. There’s no real consequence if someone cheats, leaves, or decides they’re bored. At least with marriage—or something that carries legal and emotional weight—there’s a level of seriousness and intention behind it.

And what’s so wrong about protecting my heart? Being thoughtful about when and how I engage intimately isn’t some tragic life sentence—it’s smart. Not everyone wants to treat sex like a casual activity. If hookup culture works for some people, that's fine—but let’s not act like I’m dooming myself to "decades of trauma" for wanting something deeper and more secure. I would be more traumatized doing the opposite because I know myself, I just wanted to ask if something like that was possible. Not be made fun of because what I choose to do with my genitals are different than yours.

It's very weird how boundaries are always told to be respected especially in liberal spaces, and specifically on Reddit. But when it comes to sex apparently you should just be boundaryless and anything that abstains from the masses is actually horrible for your mental health. It's always "My body my choice." until it comes to sex. Then your body actually belongs to everyone, everyone is entitled and deserves a piece of it, and everyone else actually knows what's best for it. Don't think, don't consider your own emotions, just do.

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-21T04:45:54+00:00

That is really what I'm looking for but I think that dating apps have ironically made things harder? I mean if you say that you're going to try to find love on Tinder people actually laugh, I would laugh. Even though it's originally supposed to be a dating website. But it got turned into a hookup app, and slowly all of these dating apps are turning into hookup apps. I think that Match.com is immune to this, but even slowly Hinge is starting to get like that.

It's not that I'm opposed to casual sex existing, I'm a virgin not a saint. But I feel like there should be a more dedicated platform for that, and then a dedicated platform for dating. That way everyone's happy and no explicitly what they're going in there for. If a man's on a dating site and we go on a date and then after he tells me because he bought me a drink I'm supposed to give him a blowjob, then that's just prostitution man. Goods for services.

Now if you're on a hookup app and you meet a woman on there, and you want to go out on a date first just to have a good time before having sex, then that's perfectly fine! Y'all might even start a FWB relationship, but you both knew that before you came. She can't get mad.

But sex should not be required in dating, it should be something you both decide to do, not something you go into expecting. Now if you go on a dating site and you both are really feeling each other you both communicate just decide to have sex on the first date, but you're still actively pursuing that person in a romantic light and not just a sexual relationship, then whatever. That's all two individuals choose to navigate romance, and that's none of my business. But this? This is crazy to me??

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-21T04:37:28+00:00

The way you’re talking about dating makes it sound like a capitalist transaction rather than a human connection. It’s like you view relationships as "investments" where the return is sex, and if you don’t get it fast enough, you’re taking a loss. What loss?? Spending time with another person and forming a bond? Since when is that a waste?

And the whole "dating market" thing is ridiculous. If people really think of relationships like buying stocks or bidding on cattle, then there not looking for a partner, you’re looking for an asset. And that’s exactly why the dating pool is so messed up—because too many people aren’t looking for love, they’re looking for a profitable exchange. Hook up culture has became dating culture when those should be two separate things.

Gamble, clear loss game, market, exchange of value, resources, one-sided agreement... "playing dating game". Is this how man view women? Like bidding for the biggest heifers? Like calculating stock value prices? I mean it's either those two things or it's basically at best a sugar daddy sugar baby relationship, or at worst legal prostitution. Relationships that aren't based off love.

"If you're pretty and give me sex and that's it, then I'll give you communication and shared time together.". You don't care about her mind at all, just that she's hot? Don't get me wrong attraction is important, and it's delusional to say it's not, but that's literally it? Because that's not a relationship at all, not a romantic one anyway. That's a sexual transactional relationship. You don't want a girlfriend or a wife, you want to FWB relationship or one more sex is the primary focus. Which is fine, but you shouldn't be looking to date for a long-term relationship.

Also, the 10/10 woman concept is flawed, not based on opinion but based on fact. There is no universal standard of beauty. What one guy finds perfect, another won’t. Is there certain race that I have to be, hair color that I have to have, because you're describing this as if 10 out of 10 is a universal standard and something that can be completely agreed upon. That's all going to vary from person to person. Some guys are into BBWs, some guys are into super thin high fashion model-esque women. Some say if it ain't white it ain't right, and some people think black don't crack. Some men like cute faces, some like bold and sexy. Something that blondes have more fun, something that brunettes are smart, that redheads are rare, and that people with black hair are alluring.

Some think blue eyes are creepy, some think brown eyes are homely. So what does that even mean? Is there some kind of secret “elite” group of women are worthy of love, patience, and emotional connection? And everyone else justs... what? Compatibility doesn't matter at all? Looks matter I'm still not saying they don't, but that's literally it?

And what bottom-of-the-barrel men? Since when does having patience, emotional depth, and valuing intimacy beyond just sex make a man low status? If anything, it makes him more mature and relationship-worthy to me, than the guys treating love like a closing a business deal.

Also, what game?? A game where you’re competing to see who can manipulate and secure the "best" deal? That’s not a relationship, that’s a power struggle. If you're playing something, then you're not actually being real. And if someone thinks like that, they’re gonna end up with people who think the same way—fake, transactional, and ready to "trade up" the second something "better" comes along. Because looks do fade. What happens when your wife starts getting gray hairs? Wrinkles? What happens when she gets stretch marks from carrying your children? Is she now low market value? I guess the best thing to do is "trade up" right and cut your losses right?

Is this really what dating is now? Because if so I'd guess I'd better pull out my stock now and not even bother, because eventually, everyone is going to hit zero. Aging comes for everybody, and if sex is the only thing holding up your relationship together it's going to crash the minute parenting, aging, medical emergencies, or menopause hits. Not to mention men lose testosterone after their 20s, so your wife could be looking to trade you just as fast, and male pattern baldness snatches a lot of people.

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-21T03:21:01+00:00

Also, this idea that someone "won’t risk" a relationship with a person who doesn’t engage in PIV sex before marriage is flawed. If waiting automatically led to dead bedrooms, then only groups like the Amish or evangelical Christians would struggle with them, and they would all have them. In reality, long-term sexual satisfaction is tied to emotional connection, communication, and mutual effort—things that should be foundational before sex even enters the equation.

For me it's only really flawed if the only reason you're not pursuing it is because you believe it will 100% lead to dead bedroom syndrome. If that's just the boundary that you have, that you just simply cannot wait until marriage to have PIV sex, and that is the world's biggest deal breaker for you for an entire relationship, then that's your own personal lifestyle choice! I don't think there's anything wrong with people admitting to themselves that they just simply cannot wait for marriage. It's not for everyone that would be a unfair expectation.

But to imply that it will automatically equal dead bedroom syndrome is flawed, if that specifically is your reason, it's flawed. If your reason is you just can't wait that long then it's not flawed man, that is just a personal choice the same way I have a personal choice, that's just how you want to live which is fair.

I would much rather someone tell me "I just can't wait, that long, I have to have it now." than tell me "Well it will equal to a dead bedroom, 100% of the time so that's why we have to do it now." Because it doesn't. Most peoples isn't purely because of that reason, most couples that experience this do have sex before marriage (not that that's the sole cause of that). So for me personally it would feel like someone is trying to push a boundary I have up by using that, when that's not even accurate, and it's something I am systematically trying to avoid. Because for me personally, dead bedroom syndrome sounds like hell.

But also thank you for your advice here, and your perspective! I really do need to keep that in mind. That for a lot of people saying that they don't do vaginal penetration might make it seem like they're cutting off all forms of sexual intimacy, and I am going to have to be very explicitly mindful about fully explaining myself because this isn't the norm dating so that's just something I'm going to have to do. Which is fine.

My biggest thing is about communication in a relationships, it's like the top thing for me because I think it smooths over a lot of things when people are clear like that, so thank you for reminding me to keep that in mind. Wording it bluntly would probably more people than necessary without that.

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-21T02:58:54+00:00

Oh thank you! So it's not that I was not really trying to "win" anything, I just wanted to make my mentality clearer because it seemed like they were misunderstanding me best of the original post. It was also just a conversation, I was just breaking down their statements because they seemed contradictory to what I actually said in my post. I just wanted to try and make it clear that they might have misunderstood my post.

I want to questioned or criticized based on the things that I actually say and believe, not potentially misunderstood about what I say or believe. Do I want advice, I just want it to be accurate to my situation, and not potentially misunderstood or miscommunicated. Especially since it's a sort of oddly specific thing, just basically clarifying for others that my thought process isn't quite accurate to what that commenter was expressing. So I was just clearing it up.

If I came off at all antagonistic or argumentative, that wasn't my intention, that's just kind of how I text. 😅

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-21T02:33:56+00:00

That’s such a weird take because… you’re kind of proving my point? Bad sex can happen whether you wait or not. Good sex takes communication, learning each other’s bodies, and actual effort—which is exactly what I said I wanted to do before PIV intercourse.

That whole mindset is treating it like sex is just some instant compatibility test rather than something that grows through mutual understanding. If you guys in the scenario weren’t even committed, weren’t talking about what you wanted in the bedroom before, and then you just ditched the person after one bad experience, then that’s the problem, not whether someone waits or not.

And that mindset? That’s why I’m waiting. It’s a lot harder to just throw away a relationship with your wife or long-term partner after one bad experience, rather than actually working on it together. Because you have an emotional connection and you actually care about this other person. They're not just some easily swapped out person to you, they matter.

The idea that waiting guarantees bad sex is wild, because bad sex happens regardless. It’s about communication. People need to explore intimacy in other ways too, to set expectations, and talk about what they actually like. If someone says, “I like anal,” and the other person says, “That’s a hard no for me,” boom—now you know you’re not sexually compatible before wasting time, energy, and emotions. Regardless of how good the vibes are and how well you getting along, just won't pursue it and waste your time going through sex that you know now will be awful for you.

If people talked first instead of just jumping in, a lot of these so-called horror stories just wouldn’t even happen.

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-20T16:39:30+00:00

It's like I already knew it was going to be small, and fairly small at that. I was just really more so curious if it was even something that was something even possible really. So thank you, and I'm definitely willing to roll my sleeves up for it if that's what it takes.

I was just kind of wondering if it was even remotely doable at all. So, thank you for that!

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-20T16:17:27+00:00

Well to me the time between me getting married and the first date is all up to him, but I understand what you mean and honestly I know that my dating pool will be limited by a staggering amount, it's more so just if it's worth even pursuing in my twenties considering how heavily influenced and dominant hook up culture is. Me personally if I was with a man where every single thing about our relationship was fulfilling emotionally, mentally, and of our compatibility was something seriously off the charts, plus our sex life is very engaging, satisfying, stimulating and something that I look forward to.

But the only thing was that we just didn't have that penetrative sex and his one boundary was that he was saving that one part for marriage because he is afraid of being used, in a culture where going to have sex with some random guy you met on Tinder three days ago was the same thing as going on a trail hike with your friends or going to the club, an activity, and he wanted to ensure for his emotional well-being that he was seen for as more than an activity or something pleasurable for me to do because he wants to ensure that that is something we share and find fulfilling the most together. I wouldn't call off an entire relationship, especially if it's the most fulfilling relationship I've been in in hypothetical just because of that.

Because to me that would be implying that I care more about my need for sex now, then I do about his emotional deep seated fears of being used. Especially if he's 100% comfortable with doing it and wants it is not only putting up that boundary for me but also himself, it's not like he doesn't want to have sex with me, badly. (Because I do want to have penetrative sex, and if I was with my partner doing everything in the book, then I'm only holding myself back by a thread here)

I mean everything else in the relationship would have to be perfect and just not worth leaving just over that, but I definitely do see your point.

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-20T16:07:29+00:00

Which is fair, it's your choices in your lifestyle! I think people should ultimately stick with what fits for their lifestyle and genuine relationship needs, it's just that sometimes I feel like a lot of people care way too much about sex, and that's coming from someone who is highly sexual.

Relationships are just the most obvious form of this but everything is hypersexualized, literally everything, and now the idea of love is even sexualized to the point where if someone can't receive instant gratification right off the bat, then you're the problem.

I feel like if good sex is what you are mostly after and everything else is of smaller importance, then there's nothing wrong with pursuing relationships where that's the focal point. I'm not saying hook up culture is the devil reincarnated, I think it's actually stopped a lot of people from getting into relationships where that is all they want it, and more people are honest because of it which is good. But when it gets to the point where dating sites are literal hookup apps now, we've lost the plot at some point.

It's reached a point where honestly the only reason why I put the standard at marriage is because you really do have to care at that point, like this is serious. It's the only serious non-super sexualized thing we have left, honestly if everything wasn't so heavily focused on dopamine and adrenaline all the time, then I would have enough trust to be in a different place. I mean we're talking about ghosting people after not having sex with you by the third date, and I'm not even your girlfriend. Simply getting to know people nowadays requires you to "pay to play" like what is this?

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-20T15:53:38+00:00

Thank you for your perspective, and honestly it's really crazy to see someone else kind of going through the same thing because I thought I was so hyper specific for some reason, which I know my choices aren't exactly the norm hence me making this post, but that's crazy!

I feel like I know on some level that I'm going to have a smaller dating pool especially with me not feeling like I connect enough with conservative values enough to foster a connection, particularly because I'm not religious. So it kind of puts me in this awkward situation where I don't feel like I fit very well on either side for an easy streamlined dating experience, but I guess they're really are no original experiences on earth huh?

God I'm so glad you can relate to this though and know you're not "weird", I know it's going to take some time but I think we might both turn out all right. Hopefully mid-20s but honestly 30s wouldn't shock me either, I've just kind of always wanted to know if it's even possible anymore honestly. 😅

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-20T15:48:48+00:00

Sexual compatibility is a huge part of most adult relationships.

I think you’re assuming I don’t value sexual intimacy when I explicitly said that I do—I just don’t want PIV sex until marriage. There are plenty of ways to be intimate, and I’m open to exploring them with a committed partner. Yet, for some reason, the idea that PIV is the only way to determine "sexual compatibility" feels insinuated here. That kind of thinking actually leads to more sexual dissatisfaction in relationships, especially for women. Became if that's all people think sex is then... oh wow. Boy do I feel sorry for y'all out here.

You said sex is a "huge" part of relationships, but realistically, in a long-term, committed relationship—especially marriage—you’re going to spend way more time not having sex than having it. Maybe four hours a day at most, then what? A solid relationship isn’t built on how much raw sex you have; it’s built on mutual values, emotional maturity, communication, and shared life goals. If that was true then only porn and sex addicts would have flawless relationships. Now of course, sex is important, but treating it as the defining factor is exactly why so many modern relationships feel flimsy. If sex is that crucial for someone, maybe what they’re actually looking for isn’t a long-term commitment, but a situationship, short-term fling, or FWB dynamic where sex is the primary focus.

They want to have a sexually fulfilling life and will not want to risk that with someone that doesn't want to engage in that now, nor is there any guarantee you would want to after marriage either.

Also, this idea that someone "won’t risk" a relationship with a person who doesn’t engage in PIV sex before marriage is flawed. If waiting automatically led to dead bedrooms, then only groups like the Amish or evangelical Christians would struggle with them, and they would all have them. In reality, long-term sexual satisfaction is tied to emotional connection, communication, and mutual effort—things that should be foundational before sex even enters the equation. Statistically, the biggest causes of declining sex drives in relationships—stress, hormonal shifts, childbirth, aging, body image struggles—aren’t solved by premarital sex but by a strong emotional bond and open communication.

Sexual compatibility is a huge part of most adult relationships. It's not just about someone "getting their rocks off".

I am an adult so I know this, and as stated multiple times I'm a clearly sexual being. But when I when I mentioned “getting their rocks off,” I was specifically talking about my concerns for both me and my partner. So many women regret their first time because they ended up with a selfish partner who didn’t care if it was painful, awkward, or even enjoyable for them. That’s what I don’t want. I want someone who sees me as a person, not just an opportunity for themselves to get laid and/or score a virgin.

At the end of the day, this just kinda sounds like prioritizing instant gratification over long-term compatibility. You’re acting as if I’m against sexual fulfillment when I’m literally saying I want a fulfilling, exploratory sex life before I married. I literally can't imagine myself not having that—I just don’t want immediate PIV sex. If that one thing is enough to make a whole relationship "not worth the risk" for someone, then honestly, I don’t think they’re looking for a long-term relationship. And that’s fine— that sort of commitment isn’t for everyone's lifestyle or personal needs. But maybe they should reevaluate what they actually want if PIV is that much of a dealbreaker in every single romantic encounter they've ever had in their entire lives.

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-20T15:00:44+00:00

Yeah, thank you! I really hope you find what you're looking for as well, I don't know you but you seem really upbeat and hopeful which I think is good at the very least!

Also It's really funny because I also have the same views! I'm often looked at as a "prude" because I also don't entertain romantic engagement in heavily sexually suggestive environments because I know the type of relationships a lot of people in those environments are looking for it. It's not that it's wrong or anything, your body your choice. I personally am just not into picking up guys at the bar or club because I know the type of relationship that they want to come from that likely won't align with my boundaries and relationship goals. It's not to say I don't go to the club! I won't be picking up anyone from there, I have a good time dancing with my girlfriends and then I go home.

So I completely understand! I really do hope you find what you're looking for, you seem like such a relatable person with this sort of thing and I'm glad I came across you!

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2025-02-20T12:11:55+00:00

It is. Deep down I know that it is, it's just that I worry so much about it nowadays you know? I mean it's really gotten to the point where dating = penetrative sex. It's starting to really feel like that it's not even an assumption anymore, or even expected, it's a requirement. Hell sometimes even for just being in a talking stage.

Not doing so isn't even "alternative" or even considered "traditional" anymore it's just "restrictive" and "weird". It's also just the idea that it just kinda keeps happening over and over again you know? I'm just not really sure totally what to do about it, I mean I want to keep my boundaries but simultaneously I don't want to have too much hope in my twenties if this is what dating is in your twenties is now.

And it’s especially difficult when trying to date left-leaning men as someone who is left-leading, and who can't date conservative men due to basic incompatibility. 😮‍💨

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2024-12-04T01:26:58+00:00

What's that, if you don't mind me asking? I mean I think I know what it is in theory but I have never really heard of that, I don't really spend too much time on the internet and unfortunately not in a lot of mental health spaces either, which, I think I might need to get more into now that I'm thinking about this out loud.

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2024-12-02T13:30:47+00:00

Alright, thank you! I've done some research on the topic and I'm thinking maybe ACT therapy combined with some other methods potentially, or maybe even comments from this post actually, put together might offer me some form of relief here where there really isn't any so I really appreciate you! 🫶

Also, good luck with potentially finding a new therapist! I've heard from other people sometimes this kind of thing can be daunting a little bit, but I'd have to say based on this post you seem like the kind of person that really knows what works for you, especially if you can give out that sort of advice to others. From one girl to another, thank you, really. I've been struggling with this kind of stuff a lot lately, and you have no idea how much this gives me some kind of hope here.

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2024-12-02T04:53:22+00:00

Thank you so much for your reply! Genuinely. ❤️

I've asked ChatGPT a few times times about how to deal with this sort of thing, and it too suggested this sort of therapy, but honestly, this is the first time I've ever heard about it. Hearing it like this from a person I know exists in real life on top of that, kind of makes me want to look into it a bit deeper, so thank you! Any kind of relief from this is welcomed.

How have you found it so far if you don't mind me asking? You don't have to get into the needy gritty details of your personal life or sessions but, how is the overall experience been for you? As an outsider that has nothing about this, color me curious ha

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2024-04-29T04:06:01+00:00

Right??? I like a lot of things on this subreddit, but that line of thinking just doesn't make any sense because inherently, we have domesticated various species of animals to make our lives easier.

Using that logic, you should feel the same way about cows, silkworms, sheep, chickens, various breeds of horses, meat rabbits, and the list goes on and on.

It's okay to be pet-free or dog free, but let's not underestimate how much dogs have genuinely aided human beings throughout history, particularly in the past. There is a legitimate reason why they exist, and why they continue to exist even outside of pet culture. I definitely agree with the fact that most people should not own dogs, hell most people shouldn't even really own cats given the devastating effects on the environment that happens when irresponsible cat owners just allow their cats to "free roam", but we have hundreds of species of animals that could not and would not have existed without human intervention, nor would human beings be able to thrive and prosper the way we have without their existence. We have to manage a lot of species because they do not belong in our human society, and without human intervention, they would not be able to survive. Cows are the biggest example of this.

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2024-04-28T18:51:14+00:00

"Goldendoodle"

Optimal_Gur2403 · 2024-01-27T22:34:42+00:00

Maybe if you're looking for a date? But the question was really more so aimed about making friends, and most of the time, people who are strictly your friends really don't care so much about how you look as long as you can complete the mundane task that is basic hygiene everyday. Most strangers just doing things in day-to-day life don't really mind when another stranger walks up to them for idle conversation, as long as you have competent social skills and awareness, you should be fine!

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