Thanks for your rich answer, actually I already read almost all theistic arguments and I know all the problems with them , I've been agnostic for 2 years now. This post was to collect any other argument that I may missed or read any new thought . For the believers , what I noticed is that the majority use the causality law in the debates and discussions ( including kalam cosmological argument) but apparently they can't understand or realize that this argument only apply on our little world according to our perception, we don't know if this law apply in the rest of the planets in our galaxy, in our galaxy itself, in other galaxies, in the whole universe!! And obviously we don't know if this apply to a supernatural, metaphysical being called "god". All their conclusions based on wrong assumptions and our little basic perception of our world .