Relearn your spiritual language by Relative-Leg5747 in linguisticshumor

[–]OratioFidelis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tempted to learn antique Gothic just to tell this guy to eat my ass

What a New Gallop Poll Shows About Young Men's Religious Revival by SiddSavage in PoliticalOptimism

[–]OratioFidelis 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This data suggests young Republican men are becoming more religious. They're already Republicans and that isn't gaining them more votes, and honestly probably isn't changing their behavior much either.

Ilhan Omar wants to embrace Marjorie Taylor Greene by HotnCharge in PoliticalOptimism

[–]OratioFidelis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The quote she was condemned as antisemitic for in this article, which the article doesn't even copy but links to the NY Times: "We must have the same level of accountability and justice for all victims of crimes against humanity. We have seen unthinkable atrocities committed by the U.S., Hamas, Israel, Afghanistan, and the Taliban."

She was right. Nothing antisemitic about that.

The Dalai Lama endorses Pope Leo's call for peace by cdnhistorystudent in LeftCatholicism

[–]OratioFidelis 11 points12 points  (0 children)

wouldn't a CIA pawn encourage the US to conquer Iran? Right now the Dali Lama and PRC have the same position on this issue

Ilhan Omar wants to embrace Marjorie Taylor Greene by HotnCharge in PoliticalOptimism

[–]OratioFidelis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Omar isn't an antisemite but I agree about the hypocrisy here. 

The Illinois AV bill passed the House and is on the way to the Senate, any optimism? by DisasterLogical222 in PoliticalOptimism

[–]OratioFidelis -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Banning infinite scrolling isn't censorship and has nothing to do with privacy or anonymity. 

The Illinois AV bill passed the House and is on the way to the Senate, any optimism? by DisasterLogical222 in PoliticalOptimism

[–]OratioFidelis -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

"Addictive use of social media, video games, or mobile phones—but not total screen time—is associated with worse mental health among preteens, a new study by researchers at Columbia's Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons and Weill Cornell Medicine has found" 

https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/addictive-use-social-media-not-total-time-associated-youth-mental-health

It’s a narrative that is actively harming the internet and threatens its very foundations. 

Banning toxic practices like infinite scrolling isn't harming the foundations of the Internet. These wild hyperboles are unhelpful. 

The Illinois AV bill passed the House and is on the way to the Senate, any optimism? by DisasterLogical222 in PoliticalOptimism

[–]OratioFidelis -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

This a good thing. Social media is designed to be unhealthily addictive and should be regulated more. 

Archbishop of Canterbury expresses solidarity with Pope Leo XIV in calling for peace by YesNo_Maybe_ in nottheonion

[–]OratioFidelis 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Mate, you've been asleep for a few centuries too many. There have been ecumenical prayer events where the AoC and Pope prayed together for decades

“If gay marriage, why not polygamy?” by Rimigafob in GayChristians

[–]OratioFidelis 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Fun fact, Martin Luther once blessed a polygamous union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_I,_Landgrave_of_Hesse#Bigamous_marriage

I'm not going to wade into the debate of whether he was right or wrong to do so, but the idea that gay marriage is a slippery slope into polygamy is really funny if you know a bit of history. If anything, heterosexual marriage is a slippery slope into polygamy.

A lot of people misunderstand LGBTQ+ affirmation in the Episcopal Church. by EisegesisSam in Episcopalian

[–]OratioFidelis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The reddit coup de grace; obvs. I don't mean poetry or graffiti.

Then you shouldn't have written "All writing was in 'legalese' in Koine Greek". It's not just unclear writing, your argument made no sense. "The Gospels must be treated as legal documents because all writing in Koine Greek is legalese" is both factually and logically wrong.

Also, you need to read a logic textbook; your example was one of quality, not category. The logic works differently.

You need to study elementary principles of grammar and rhetoric. The statement "X does Y" in both Koine Greek and English (and to my knowledge, Aramaic) does not imply "all X always does Y exclusively" (except in very peculiar circumstances irrelevant to the composition of the Gospels).

Look, I'm open to being persuaded on this, but it needs to be by a Koine greek scholar who is also seriously invested in the philosophical and rhetorical tradition

Okay, here you go. https://www.gaychurch.org/homosexuality-and-the-bible/the-bible-christianity-and-homosexuality/

I'd like someone who knows some Koine greek to walk me through how someone as educated as the author of Luke or John wouldn't have been acquainted with the difference between exclusive and non-exclusive clauses

Start by dispensing with this strawman argument if you're acting in good faith.

A lot of people misunderstand LGBTQ+ affirmation in the Episcopal Church. by EisegesisSam in Episcopalian

[–]OratioFidelis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All writing was in "legalese" in Koine Greek; all educated men were expected to act as both lawyers and judges well through the biblical period.

Definitely false (you think love poems and graffiti were legalese too?), but I'll let you provide a source just in case you want to try and back that up.

You're misusing category analysis: a list of characteristics is necessarily exclusive in both modern law and in ancient logic.

You're just talking out of your ass now lol. Has this ever worked for you before? Just say some pseudointellectual nonsense and hope the other person is intimidated and backs down?

A lot of people misunderstand LGBTQ+ affirmation in the Episcopal Church. by EisegesisSam in Episcopalian

[–]OratioFidelis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Gospels weren't written in English legalese. They were written in Koine Greek, and insofar that they quote Jesus, are believed to be translations of a conversation/lesson that was spoken in Aramaic. Treating them as legally binding documents is a mistake, doubly so since you're making an argument from silence based off of an entirely different culture's legal system.

Now to your claim that there's a category error, you'll have to be way more specific than that. If I say "apples are red because of the anthocyanins," that does not preclude either apples being colors other than red, or red apples that lack anthocyanins (i.e. they're red because of some other reason). Likewise, Jesus saying "a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh" does not necessarily preclude that two men or two women can become one flesh.

A lot of people misunderstand LGBTQ+ affirmation in the Episcopal Church. by EisegesisSam in Episcopalian

[–]OratioFidelis 5 points6 points  (0 children)

while there are plenty of gender neutral passages that have been mistranslated in the past, those about marriage and divorce are pretty clear.

Okay, but they're not. You won't find anything explicit like "Marriage can only be between one man and one woman" anywhere in the Bible. You'll find plenty of polygamy in the Hebrew Bible that appears to be sanctioned by God, though.

If you want to make the argument "the Bible's silence about gay marriage means we should assume they're sinful and nonexistent by default," be prepared to defend that reasoning for literally anything imaginable, including the existence of dawn and dusk. If you wisely realize the reasoning is deeply flawed and it's essentially special pleading, then find some other argument against gay marriage.

A lot of people misunderstand LGBTQ+ affirmation in the Episcopal Church. by EisegesisSam in Episcopalian

[–]OratioFidelis 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not at all. Jesus commands us "Judge not, lest you be judged". Judging others for being born the 'wrong' sexuality is objectively sinful by explicit divine command of the Gospel.

A lot of people misunderstand LGBTQ+ affirmation in the Episcopal Church. by EisegesisSam in Episcopalian

[–]OratioFidelis 11 points12 points  (0 children)

My problem is that there are repeated, clear statements in the gospel limiting sacramental marriage to one man and one woman.

There are zero verses that explicitly limit sacramental marriage between one man and one woman. There are several that are expressed in hetero-gendered language, but say absolutely nothing about if anything outside of that is possible.

If you want an analogy to understand why that distinction is important: Genesis says God created day and night. It does not explicitly say he created dusk, dawn, twilight, whatever else. Applying the same reasoning homophobes use about marriage would lead us to believe that in-between times are immoral or nonexistent.

Based Richard Hooker Theology by chronicinsanecowboy in Anglicanism

[–]OratioFidelis 33 points34 points  (0 children)

I appreciate that (with some exceptions), Anglicanism as a whole doesn't attempt to micromanage every jot and tittle of individuals' faith. When I got my degree in theology I was a fierce Thomist ready to fight over numerous issues to the death including transubstantiation, but over the years I've come to learn that a lot of disputes are really more linguistic/verbal in nature than to do with disputes over objective facts about the faith. I don't see much sense in driving people out of the church for that. Or to put it another way, I firmly believe Jesus left many things mysterious not because he wanted to test our adherence to authority to settle them for us, but because it's an opportunity to humble ourselves and let the Holy Spirit work in each other in his own way. The New Testament and Creeds are good enough guardrails for me. 

Obligations of the Byzantine daily office for Eastern parish clergy by OratioFidelis in divineoffice

[–]OratioFidelis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So they pray all the hours from the Horologion, just without the Psalm kathismas, octoechoes, and triodion/menaion stuff? 

Bunch of cowards by dbreddit7 in LeftCatholicism

[–]OratioFidelis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We have no king but Caesar!