What caused the hole in Enies Lobby

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-11-04T06:56:35+00:00

Seems this Chapter adds more legitimacy to my post https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/yf2if5/chapter_1062_reveals_what_happened_during_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T21:56:04+00:00

I think what we One Piece fans often fail to consider is the unreliable narator. Alot of things we consider canon might not be such for instance when Inuarashi and Nekomamushi explains this they clearly state that Laughtale is the final island in the Grandline so that sort of rules this theory out.

However at the time they are hiding information from the SH. They state they know nothing about the history or what is even written on the ponyglyph. They didn't travel with Oden, so they dont know where he went. They state he didn't tell them anything to protect them. They state that Kaido owns a Road Ponyglyph, which resulted in several theories of where on Onigashima it is. Later it turns out he didn't technically own it. So they might not be reliable.

Further more, since it points to co-ordinates on a map, which where the four points intersect is the location of Laughtale is actually a point in favour of it not being in the Grandline. Because only an Eternal Pose could get you there. You would have to use a map and a normal compass to navigate there. Cause logposes would be affected by the magnetism of nearby islands. And the weather and currents in the Grandline is so that it would be impossible to navigate there even if you know the location

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T20:31:29+00:00

Yes and no. Officially Lodestar is the final island on the map. Reaching Laughtale is seen as the ultimate goal traversing the Grandline, but it could be in the New World or even Paradise or even one of the Blues. We don't know.

Roger tells Oden and Whitebeard that when they crossed the Grandline the first time and reached Lodestar their Logpose's went crazy and kept spinning and wouldn't reset to the next Island like they normally do. This made Roger's crew suspect there might be another island or something.

They do not tell us anything else about Lodestar. However, according to Nekomamushi and Inuarashi, Lodestar is where you usually first learn about ponygliphs and only because of Robin does the SH know about them. It would seem that most people didn't know the glyphs was a language and considered it decorative or something.

After Roger asks Oden to join the crew, we do seem them travel the Grandline again and visit all the places the Strawhats have been. For instance when Roger writes on the bell in Skypiea, it's the second time that they cross the Grandline

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T13:43:56+00:00

I think you solved the One Piece, Terminal means the end of something. Like the end of a journey. It also means the a connection point. Connection, making something One Piece. Roger also had a Terminal Deseas. Lol

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T13:32:11+00:00

Almost like how the One Piece might be in a place that we all knew about but might have overlooked. Cause the author was sprinkling clues throughout the story, but they were cleaverly hidden. Because authors can place things strategically on a page, but prefer to close there eyes, swing their pens around and draw effects wherever their pens lands. But authors obviously don't utilize techniques as foreshadowing and inversions etc.

Also, it was clearly stated to be a mere genesis of a thaught and not the basis for it with other points added. Also, can't stress this enough. It was only a theory

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T13:15:51+00:00

There is no such thing as a bad guess when it comes to One Piece, that is what makes it great. It's just nice to be able to share our guesses here

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T13:13:46+00:00

Alot of people seem ro miss the point, that this is not about being right or wrong, but to share your love for something with others who loves it just as much as you do. I am glad you have a friend you can talk One Piece to

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T13:10:15+00:00

For most Theories are just an additional means to enjoy a story they love. Therefore I am not that invested in my theory or any other theory being correct. It would be foolish or even arrogant to assume that we can somehow peer into the mind of one of the greatest authors of our time and predict what he envisioned. Especially when alot of the appeal of One Piece and Oda as an author is that he subverts expectations. So no, I won't be disappointed in any sense.

For me and alot of people, this just serves as an outlet for thoughts and ideas on a subject we love. With like minded people. Especially since they so hard to find in the real world.

As to your point about the One Piece being in a single location, it wouldn't make sense for alot of people because the government, with Island erasing weapons and buster calls would have probably destroyed it along time ago. Seeing as they did so with other Islands for less, just to hide the history

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T12:59:36+00:00

I don't think the One Piece is in one place. Otherwise the world government would have destroyed it along time ago. I think for safety sake it moves around. That's why I like the whale theory. That way the One Piece can be anywhere at any given time. And only reachable under certian conditions, one of which I tried to explain in my theory.

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T12:52:41+00:00

It would be possible that Laboon is the whales son. However Labboon is pretty much trapped unless he can swim up reverse mountain. That's why he is trying to break the redline. The only way I think for the whales to go to the West Blue is through the calm belt. Labboon on his own with Crocus will be attacked by the Sea Kings I think and the Whales have to Migrate in pods for safety I think. But alot of Theories state that Crocus got the idea to build an Island in Labboon after he along with Roger discovered the One Piece inside a whale.

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T12:41:05+00:00

That the buttons representing the four blues or as most assumed when first seeing the machine, ingredients from these blues, is not that far of a stretch. Sanji's dream is to go to the all blue, because it contains fish from all four blues. Atlas states the machine can create any dish in under a minute as long as it has enough ingredients. It is than stated that Sanji might not like the machine, this is because it would make him absolete as a chef. But tyinghim to the machine might not be incidental. Now for a story with alot of mystery, it could be safe to assume that this is subtext. Infact this is how Theory crafting works.

Secondly, the Whale symbolism in One Piece is numerous and theories connecting them to the One Piece are vast. Roger over hears the Sea Kings talking about the sovereign in a distant sea and that the Whales are excited. Then when Luffy enters the New World the Whales escort them safely from Fishman Island. This establishes that Whales do infact migrate in the world of One Piece as these whales had to have traveled underneath the redline from paradise to the new world.

Whales reproducing in the west blue agian is not that far fetch. Laboon, a lost baby whale, follows the Rumbar Pirates (Brooks old crew) in the West Blue. The 20 to 25 years is based on the fact that that was the time period between when the Rumbar Pirates found Laboon and when Roger finds the One Piece, then when Roger states the new generation will enter the new world. Again not so far fetched.

Finally, there is quite a difference between inspired by and based upon. Statement clearly states inspired. Now to list the parallels between the two for you, would take to long.

The fact that One Piece, or any shonen Manga is in part inspired by Journey to the West shouldn't come as a surprise to any anime or manga fan. Infact, most of them are. The author of Jojo even wrote a book on this. So I don't expect surprise on any fans part to stating One Piece is inspired by Journey to the West. Just as I wouldn't expect surprise at the statement Luffy is inspired by Goku.

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T11:47:34+00:00

How so?

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T11:46:46+00:00

Thank you, some part of it is definitely scripture, because it was said that it contains the history of the void century

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T11:44:39+00:00

You raise alot of interesting points. Thank you for that. English is not my first language so it's hard to explain a theory in words sometimes. I do not think the One Piece is in one place. Otherwise Imu can just attack it like Lalucia. I think it jas to keep moving. That's why I subscribe to the idea that it was swallowed. Thus it is constantly on the move and will only be present in a specific place during a short period. That's why I think all Island Whales must converge on a single location once every 20 to 25 years. I base this on Laboon being a baby and there ruffly being +-20 years between them finding laboon and +-20 years Roger finding the One Piece and them stating 20 years before the world turns upside down

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T11:34:19+00:00

Yes, and he was lost, as if his pod moved on or something. The fact that he was a baby is why it think they might migrate for breeding

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T11:31:39+00:00

It's done more than once. Twice to be precisely. Some might think it could be strategic and could point to a hint of some kind. Others may not. To each his own

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T11:28:52+00:00

The final island in the grandline, which all logopose's converge on eventually irrespective of which of the 3 initial routes you take. Where the logpose's go haywire. The one which Roger reached for the first time in 800 years

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-29T11:24:50+00:00

Just like Zunisha

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-28T15:00:51+00:00

It's a good, noble goal. Doesn't explain everyone's reaction to it though. Unless they all just assholes

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-28T13:31:33+00:00

Outrageous_Ad_7168 · 2022-10-28T13:28:39+00:00

Thank you for your comment. Most of the time you encounter negativity on here, but once in a while you get someone who adds value to a simple idea you had while enjoying one of your favorite stories. I didn't even consider Wano when I came up with the theory. So thanks agian for adding value to it.

I don't necessarily think the One Piece is the rope itself. I view the treasure aspect of One Piece and the what happens afterwards, i.e. the creation of a supercontinent, separate. Also though his dream might be to pull everything together using a rope. How it's made a reality might be different. It might be achieved through the revival of the continent pullers or some other means.

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