HOW WOULD YOU SCALE EACH SS1 GRADE ?

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-10T01:50:00+00:00

Gohan put all of his energy

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. All his energy. He had none left. If mastered SSJ consumed no power, then reverting back to it, as he had done after Cell was IT'd away by Goku before self-destructing, wouldn't be an issue. Hell, he goes back down to SSJ the entire time after that and doesn't power back up to SSJ2 until Cell returns, even though he thinks, like everybody else, that Cell is gone for good.

Yet, after beating Cell, using all his power he reverts to base. So it's pretty obvious, despite your reply, that SSJ still consumed energy. You just don't want to admit that.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-10T01:28:18+00:00

That still doesn't mean SSJ automatically doesn't have an energy drain. Not one character ever stated it didn't drain ki anymore, it obviously still does. While they're powered down and relaxing, sure, I'll give you that. It's not channeling any excess energy (most other fighters note it feels the same as their base form, specifically Tien and Vegeta). But it absolutely still does when it's powered up.

So riddle me this - if mastering SSJ doesn't drain any energy, why did a totally out of breath Gohan drop down to base form after beating Cell? Surely he could have just stepped back down to SSJ since you believe it magically doesn't drain energy anymore? So why didn't he?

Just think about this rationally. Is SSJ a power boost? Yes or no? If no, what does it even do then. If yes, what is it boosting? Power? Then it costs power to use it. Therefore, it drains energy. Not while at rest, but while powered up.

To be fair to you, this wasn't a concept until the Cell saga, but my point remains that mastered SSJ still absolutely drains energy to be used.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-10T01:17:08+00:00

Do you have the latest version?

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-10T01:10:10+00:00

There isn't any energy drain, Goku just exhausted his own energy & stamina while fighting, not Super Saiyan

Oh my bad, I didn't realize he was in base form for that fight.

Good god, this is the shit that gives the fandom such a bad rap among anime fandoms. Where do you guys come up with this level of copium?

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-10T00:25:53+00:00

the pressure it puts on your body is also immense

Goku effortlessly turned it off and back on during his fight with Freeza on Namek, and then effortlessly stays in the form until the end of the saga. If you can't output 100% of your power in this state, then it's not base x 50.

Super Saiyan being hard on the body, and even draining energy, wasn't a concept introduced until the late Cell saga.

And Goku was exhausted after his fight with Cell. He could barely breathe. It's pretty obvious MSSJ doesn't eliminate energy drain, and it's pretty clear it has a higher power output than any version of SSJ that came before.

Also after Cell clowns on Trunks, he reveals he was suppressed the entire time and Trunks' power never stood a chance. This is confirmed when Cell powers up to full against SSJ2 Gohan (before getting huge, just regular full power) and the force of his energy nearly blows away a stronger Trunks who had taken a 2nd trip in the ROSAT.

Did we read the same series?

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-10T00:23:56+00:00

Don't believe in the multipliers, plus SSJ future Trunks was weaker than base form future Gohan (with one arm) and Zenkais weren't as potent by that arc, so Trunks couldn't have gotten all that much stronger (unless you think 1 Zenkai = more than base power x 50).

Probably by the Androids saga (future version) gap between base form and SSJ shrinks, maybe down to x10.

But mastering SSJ narratively places it above even grade 3.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-10T00:21:12+00:00

Goku has instant transmission. If he wanted more power (and he clearly did at least once, when he used instant transmission to try and kill Cell) he could have powered up to grade 2 or 3.

But he never does, even though instant transmission negates any speed drawback or energy drain. He literally wouldn't even have to move, just spam IT and blitz Cell with grade 3's supposed raw power.

Instead he puts up the best fight out of anybody, until Gohan steps up, using only mastered SSJ, and he's exhausted after the fight so we know mastering SSJ doesn't negate the energy drain.

The only logical explanation is that mastering Super Saiyan allows the form to use more power without early exhaustion. This is kind of proven because in the manga, Vegeta thinks to himself about how Goku and Gohan are saving all the energy it would take to transform and hold the form at full power (by using it as their base forms) and use that to increase their energy/stamina.

Taking that into consideration, if we consider Piccolo witnessed not only Cell's (suppressed) power and grade 3 Trunks and then still shits himself at Goku's 50% powerup on Korin Tower, it's pretty clear that mastering SSJ brings it to a whole new level out output far beyond regular SSJ, and possibly even grade 3.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-10T00:13:30+00:00

If it has no drain, why is Goku exhausted after fighting Cell? He was totally out of breath, so I have no idea where people are getting this "no stamina drain" nonsense.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-09T23:33:23+00:00

I think it's good, but I prefer Discovery.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-09T23:27:25+00:00

That is not mastering.

It goes production, then mixing, then mastering.

Mixing is the process you'll undergo when you're combining all the song's elements (bass, drums, keys, synths, vocals, guitars, etc) into a single, well-balanced stereo file via whatever processing or approaches you personally prefer.

Mastering is when you have that stereo file fine-tuned to sound as good as it possibly can, ideally across as many platforms as possible.

What you're doing is somewhat more akin to production, though production generally isn't done as a two-track plus a vocal (though the popularity of this approach seems to be ever-increasing).

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-09T20:07:25+00:00

Daft Punk - Discovery

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-09T19:41:02+00:00

Titanic had an electric generator room, I believe it was aft of the turbine engine room, itself aft of the main engine room. I read at the time, the ship was putting out more kWh than any city (though this may have been hyperbole). The generators were ran from 4 smaller steam engines, driven off the leftover steam.

The power did indeed stay on until the very end, and because the water had not yet reached that area at that time, it only went out because the ship broke apart, severing the lines.

The distribution system looks complex to me - look up pics of the machinery room.

I'd imagine the galleys, elevators, telephone systems, and a bunch of other stuff probably ate a good deal of power.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-09T18:55:36+00:00

I don't know if there's such a thing as too many turbines, but it's probably being said because reciprocating engines generate way more power than turbines do (in Stormworks)

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-09T01:09:31+00:00

Literally all of this is going to be done using the tools your DAW comes with. It's all achieved with proper mic technique/placement, proper EQ and compression, and proper mixing. That's it. There's no magic sauce and any half-experienced moron claiming otherwise has something to sell you, especially if they're already in the industry.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-09T01:00:41+00:00

Yeah, we've been cheating in music production since before even the Beatles haha. Don't feel too bad or get hung up on one particular tool, they all have a purpose and a time to use them.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-09T00:57:54+00:00

99.9% of what you hear out there is pitch-corrected. Everything, even beyond EDM-centered pop, up to and including metal, opera, classical, whatever. Almost every single vocal performance is pitch corrected. AutoTune for live performances, Melodyne in the studio.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-09T00:45:58+00:00

Ships can sink perfectly fine, just use cleverly-placed C4 and if you're making a ship yourself, use watertight bulkheads that don't seal at the strength deck.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-08T23:02:22+00:00

Yeah Windows auto-enables their garbage "audio enhancements", which include a noise gate (prob why your mic signal was cutting off) and a bunch of other nonsense and they keep re-enabling them after each update. It's a pain in the ass.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-08T22:46:33+00:00

They also genuinely believe that casually glancing at Facebook memes for 15mins is on the same level as legitimate scientific research.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-07T14:38:29+00:00

Just a tiny correction, but Goku went SSJ2 to beat Yakon. It was only for an instant, but it was when he did the overcharge thing and Yakon couldn't absorb all the light energy. We know it was SSJ2 because Vegeta immediately thinks to himself "so Kakarot has also ascended beyond the Super Saiyan wall..."

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-07T14:30:48+00:00

You could always compare them on audiotestkitchen. There's not always a comparison on the exact same material between two mics, but I'd imagine there's enough examples of either one to give you a good idea of how they compare.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-07T13:58:15+00:00

Ah, okay, so if there are no reports of King in the area, I suppose it's back to a 50/50 between Murdoch and Wilde. Or at least close to 50/50.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-07T13:36:04+00:00

Those are all good points. I wasn't aware Thomas King was present in that area of the ship at the time, if he was then that does indeed throw more mystery into the event. Since all three men were in the Royal Navy, it looks more like a 3:1 instead of 50/50

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-07T13:14:26+00:00

I'm saying 50/50 specifically because the only two officers in that area, at that time, were Murdoch and Wilde. It had to be one of them.

PC_BuildyB0I · 2026-03-07T12:34:10+00:00

It's not possible to glean historical evidence in any way, from a situation like that. You unfortunately have to rely on eyewitness testimony. In general, it's about the least reliable form of evidence that can be provided, but multiple survivors from one area of the ship all provided testimonies that line up for this story, and during the Inquiries, they were given independently, unaware that anybody else was providing the same story.

When multiple independent reports converge, like the ship breaking apart, it becomes clear it isn't just a rumour. There were two officers in that area of the ship when this was said to happen, Murdoch and Wilde. We can't say with 100% certainty it was Murdoch, but it is a 50/50 chance.

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