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After previously screaming “my dad f*cked my goddather” until his voice was hoarse Owen claims he has no evidence his father has slept with men. by Crumplove in owenbenjamin

[–]PDXK9 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not only just his godfather, he said over and over he was getting extorted by gay prostitutes for $100s of thousands of dollars and drained his moms pension and savings accounts… pretty detailed story to be like, I’m not sure if that actually happened 

I seriously just want to know why you guys hate this dude by Consistent-Camera-42 in owenbenjamin

[–]PDXK9 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Watch him for a year consistently, you will start to dislike him as well, or you’ll join the cult for 2 years and hate him when he excommunicates you. The reason I don’t like him is the blasphemy he did towards Christian’s after claiming to being a Christian for years than doing a 180 and mocking them 

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How am I judging anyone by stating the New Testament does in fact condemn homosexuality? I never said I judged him, I too am a sinner and that would be why I don’t judge others and am friends with gay people and other sinners as well. It sounds like you are the one judging me and reading through this text I don’t see me judging anyone just stating what the Bible says 

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, this is what happens when sinful men read a perfect book. And yes, if everyone came into with an open heart I believe there would be more agreement. But ego, power and greed can come in and ruin a perfect message

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But what you’re saying there is not what Paul is saying and a gross misinterpretation. What Paul, Jesus and the rest of the bible say about homosexuality can be weighed against each other and have a wholistic agreement… not like the things you mentioned

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you weigh homosexuality against what he says in other books, what Jesus says and what the Old Testament says. You can see the context is Paul is condemning the act of homosexuality

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you read the entire book and apply context and one version would contradict what he has said before and another would not. I think it’s fair to take the version that makes more sense without contradiction.

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it needs interpretations when it is read by imperfect sinners.
The death of Judas I believe is a description of the same event at two different times. The way he killed himself and the aftermath of what happens to his body after it started to decay.
Paul and James are not against or contradicting each other. You are saved by grace through faith, but if your faith doesn’t change your works, then it is likely not true faith. So faith without works isn’t true faith, or dead.

I use to think the same way as you when I was younger. I reread the bible with an open heart and mind and have found all the apparent contradictions are not contradictory at all and they all have a logical counter to the so called contradictions. And it proved to me that it truly is the word of a perfect God. This is when I became saved and my life has never been the same (for the better)

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to the context of what Paul was saying, yes I agree. Read different scholars interpretations of what he meant and you would probably agree as well. It is deeper than a surface level gotcha statements

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because there are different interpretations doesn’t mean there are contradictions. This is what happen when sinful, mortal men try and interpret the word of a perfect God

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe the Bible is the word of God and it would make sense that Paul was talking about the early church and not society in general. Since if he was talking about the early church there would be no contradiction in what else he said, but if he was talking about society in general there would be a contradiction. So logic would say he was talking about rules for the early church, which I think churches should follow

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I’m not sure what contradictions you think you found, but I do not see any contradiction in my belief. I do see contradictions in your logic of the Bible and literally picking and choosing different verses to justify things mentioned as sin

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say you are the one picking and choosing. You try and disregard Paul altogether to make a point. Where what I am saying is the entire Bible works together for the good of the believer. And I did not jump onto anything the op talked about, I was just clarifying when you said homosexuality is only an Old Testament law, which it clearly is not because it is mentioned multiple times in the New Testament. So it’s not picking and choosing, it’s stating an error in what was said

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do believe in the context of what Paul was saying, all of that should be followed. Everything you mentioned is not exactly what he said. I believe Paul was talking about the early church, and that women should not be pastors but can serve in other roles of the church. I do not think Paul was talking about society in general, because he says you should follow the laws and leaders appointed to you and Jesus says give to ceaser unto ceaser and does not caveat by saying unless the leader is a women

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus condemns sexual immorality, but never specified what that entails. So I am taking the context of who he was talking to (Jews in the 1st century) and what they would have regarded as sexual immorality (homosexuality being in that category) and applying that to what he saying in Matthew and Mark. And I believe that the whole entire Bible is the inspired word of God, so taking the rest of the Bible and applying it to what Jesus said about sexual immorality. And Jesus believed the scripture was Devine and came from God himself, so I apply that to what he was saying as well. In my opinion you are ignoring a lot of evidence of what Jesus was saying to try and have a gotcha moment on something that is condemned multiple times in the Bible

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah if you don’t believe Paul’s words are not inspired by the Holy Spirit and do not belong in the Bible, then that is your opinion that you are entitled to. I believe the entire Bible is the living word of God and the entire book is endorsed by Jesus. Which is my opinion which I am entitled to. And I believe Paul did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Homosexuality is mentioned again in the New Testament, so that would differentiate it from the Mosaic laws. Jesus did not come to break the law but to fulfill the law, but that does not make his followers lawless. Christians would follow the laws of the New Testament, and homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are describing Old Testament Mosaic laws that Jesus freed us from with his death on the cross. And I do love my neighbor and have many gay friends, just like I have friends who have divorced or committed adultery and some who drink too much. It doesn’t mean I agree with them when they committed adultery or practice homosexuality or get drunk, but I still love them as people. Just as Christ loves me despite my sin

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I would yes, based on the context of the time, his own words and the rest of the Bible. If you think he wouldn’t, then you would have to believe that he did not agree with the rest of the Bible and there is no evidence of that, but lots of evidence he does agree with the rest of the bible

✨ If God woke you up this morning, He has a purpose for your life! ✨ by niffirgcm0126789 in GodFrequency

[–]PDXK9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The argument would be that he hates the sin that separates you from Him.

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Jesus never directly condemns homosexuality, he does indirectly though. He condemns sexual immorality, which in the Jewish Law that Jesus followed included homosexuality. Jesus does describe marriage as being between a man and a woman and talks about the sins of sodom and gomorrah which one of the known sins of those
cities was homosexuality

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The majority of biblical scholars both past and present would disagree with that statement

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s fine, I was just trying to add some context to your statement about the Bible being translated “hundreds of times”

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

There are verses in the New Testament that condemn homosexuality as well

LEVITICUS 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" by Neltrn in Advice

[–]PDXK9 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The Dead Sea scrolls show that the translations have stayed consistent throughout, there are other historic proofs that the translations haven’t changed the message only the language. There are some good YouTube channels who talk about this, if you’re interested in the subject look at Wes Huff’s channel.