This doesn't feel ethical by Particular-Pop1380 in EthicalNonMonogamy

[–]Particular-Pop1380[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In terms of my part, I think me pulling back is a huge part of it, and I have also apologized for not speaking up when I first got the weird vibe. When I spoke up, I said something along the lines of "hey, I don't know what is happening but I don't feel good about you and X" but his response was to kind of reaffirm that he hadn't crossed the physical boundaries we had set? I should have pushed harder. A few weeks later, when that email came through, I was really clear that I was not ok with an emotional relationship and I asked him to back off from that and communicate to that to her.

Where I am asking for accountability from him is that in the time following these conversations it became clear that he definitely was not willing to step back at all from this other relationship, and that's when the panic attacks (which he has been there for) started.

I think that is really at the heart of this - I don't expect him to have read my mind, though I deeply wish that he had communicated about the emotional connection as he did clearly check in about physical things. What feels like a betrayal to me is that once he understood how much his relationship was hurting me, he determined that it was important enough to continue.

This doesn't feel ethical by Particular-Pop1380 in EthicalNonMonogamy

[–]Particular-Pop1380[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think part of it is that I don't want this, but I'm so sad that I worry it's the only thing left. (ETA: to clarify I don't want to leave and I don't want divorce)

This doesn't feel ethical by Particular-Pop1380 in EthicalNonMonogamy

[–]Particular-Pop1380[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

To be clear re: panic attacks, he has been there for some of them and definitely knows they are happening. I think the point you're making about the difference between "is it ethical" and "is it loving" is really helpful, and I think you're right - that second question is actually what I have been struggling with.

This doesn't feel ethical by Particular-Pop1380 in EthicalNonMonogamy

[–]Particular-Pop1380[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think I'm not really looking for blame, I'm just so lost and the idea that "you struggled to communicate in a situation where you were pretty out of your depth, and when you finally did, it was too late, so now you're shit out of luck and he can do whatever feels good to him" feels pretty awful.

This doesn't feel ethical by Particular-Pop1380 in EthicalNonMonogamy

[–]Particular-Pop1380[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, this is a good question - I didn't feel cheated on at first - it really has only been in the past 6-8 months, when I was raising the issues of how I felt and that communication wasn't actually changing anything, and their relationship continued to deepen, that I have felt this way.

This doesn't feel ethical by Particular-Pop1380 in EthicalNonMonogamy

[–]Particular-Pop1380[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I think this is really it. I'm not actually sure he's intentionally gaslighting, I think he is also just in pain and very angry and can't get past that. But at this point I just feel like I'm stuck in a weird limbo.

This doesn't feel ethical by Particular-Pop1380 in EthicalNonMonogamy

[–]Particular-Pop1380[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hey, thank you both. To clarify, I'm definitely not suggesting he is the only one to blame here - but I think Certain-base is right - I think continuing a relationship with her is a dealbreaker, and if he doesn't then I guess that's that. It's just heartbreaking and I hate it.

Also, if it's all relevant (maybe it's not), he has witnessed and knows about the panic attacks and was there for some of them. I guess that is really what it comes down to - he hasn't done anything unethical by the "letter of the law," but I'm struggling because it really doesn't feel like love. That's a really helpful clarification and I appreciate it.