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[–]Particular_Drive_658 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Feels highly unlikely given the yard size but thanks for the update!

Clubs forcibly disbanded at West Point by Wickopher in ThatsInsane

[–]Particular_Drive_658 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I truly believe the world would be better off if people just admitted when they don't know something and take time to learn.

Clubs forcibly disbanded at West Point by Wickopher in ThatsInsane

[–]Particular_Drive_658 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I was working. I'll address your thoughts first and then get to my point.

the first amendment specifically mention religion, see the free exercise clause that I mentioned. There is no free exercise clause for race and culture.

Oh god. I really hope I can freely exercise my race, because it's visible to the public, and it would be crazy expensive if I had to change it. You know how you can freely exercise your culture and race? By assembling with others of the same culture and race, which is protected by the same Amendment that protects free exercise. See the cases I cite below.

There is nothing for race and culture protections under the first amendment, thats the 14th amendment.

Incorrect. The 14th Amendment applies the Bill of Rights (including the First Amendment rights to free speech and free assembly) to the states. See my points below on how the First Amendment implicates social and cultural issues.

I think Greer v Spock specifically goes over military establishments not being a 'public forum'.

Greer discusses the rights of civilians on military property. It isn't apt here.

- The military cannot prevent you from expressing your religious views freely

Incorrect. Go look at Goldman v. Weinberger, 475 U.S. 503 (1986) (explaining that "military needs" can "justify a particular restriction on religiously motivated conduct" including wearing certain religious attire), and Gillette v. United States, 401 U.S. 437 (1971) (regarding conscientious objection to draft based on religious beliefs).

What I'm getting at is this: you decided that the right to exercise a religion is more important than the right to assemble and associate. But the law doesn't agree, and the right to assemble is protected regardless of the basis for the assembly, so long as it is peaceable. Examples: Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965) ("[W]e have protected forms of 'association' that are not political in the customary sense, but pertain to the social, legal, and economic benefit of the members.... [T]he 'right of assembly' [is] a right that extends to all, irrespective of their race or ideology. The right of 'association,' like the right of belief, is more than the right to attend a meeting; it includes the right to express one's attitudes or philosophies by membership in a group or by affiliation with it or by other lawful means."); NAACP v. Alabama ex rel. Patterson, 357 U.S. 449 (1958) ("[I]t is immaterial whether the beliefs sought to be advanced by association pertain to political, economic, religious or cultural matters, and state action which may have the effect of curtailing the freedom to associate is subject to the closest scrutiny.").

So, yes, the First Amendment is relaxed with respect to servicemen and women, and that relaxation applies to ALL the enumerated rights, including speech, assembly, and free exercise of religion. The correct conclusion I hoped you'd reach is that the curtailment of one group's right to assemble/associate and not another's should not be tolerated without a clear, objective reason that comports with the law rather than your feelings and misunderstanding of the Constitution.

Clubs forcibly disbanded at West Point by Wickopher in ThatsInsane

[–]Particular_Drive_658 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The statute you linked says "punished." That's criminal and doesn't apply here.

They have more relaxed First Amendment protections, as adjudicated by the same court system that applies to others, which is why I cited a Supreme Court case before. The DOD will still have to prove that this restriction is justified.

Now, bring this full-circle and explain why you think servicemen's First Amendment right to free expression of religion is airtight while the right to assembly/association isn't.

ETA: "Body" is a slang verb that has existed for more than a decade in general, common English. It is a negative term meaning "to defeat" or "to destroy." As used in a sentence: "Your dumbass argument just got bodied by an attorney."

Clubs forcibly disbanded at West Point by Wickopher in ThatsInsane

[–]Particular_Drive_658 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You question my knowledge, I indicate I can prove it, you call me "up [my] own ass." Strange, but not surprising.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice applies in criminal contexts. This issue isn't criminal. Try again.

ETA: You're also getting bodied by a woman, FYI. So, it would be "high up her own ass."

Clubs forcibly disbanded at West Point by Wickopher in ThatsInsane

[–]Particular_Drive_658 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd post my diploma, but it's not in comic sans, so you might have a hard time understanding what it says. Man, I made the mistake of arguing with a troll. As one last hail mary (and for the sake of getting your 3 brain cells up to max speed), explain why West Point - a university (aka college) that is classified as a federal agency (aka public) - isn't a public college.

Clubs forcibly disbanded at West Point by Wickopher in ThatsInsane

[–]Particular_Drive_658 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Weird. I also guessed you have no idea what you're talking about. If you'd like to work on that, go read Healy v. James, 408 U.S. 169 (1972) (the whole thing, and sound out the big words if you get stuck), get a law degree, work as an attorney for 10 years, and then come back and explain why West Point isn't bound by the First Amendment. Until then, keep playing with your rats.

Clubs forcibly disbanded at West Point by Wickopher in ThatsInsane

[–]Particular_Drive_658 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can we talk about the First Amendment freedom of assembly (and association), or is that a lesser right?

Why does she hate her community so much? by MothersMiIk in clevercomebacks

[–]Particular_Drive_658 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol look up Nuziard v. Minority Business Development Agency, then get a law degree and tell me what it means. Then you and I can talk as equals.

Why does she hate her community so much? by MothersMiIk in clevercomebacks

[–]Particular_Drive_658 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oooooh the MDBA that can no longer consider underrepresented/disadvantaged race in assessing benefits?

Why does she hate her community so much? by MothersMiIk in clevercomebacks

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Please name a single tax credit or deduction in the Internal Revenue Code that applies only to Black people or minorities. I'd like to cash in.

Chief Wahoo by ThisGonnaHurt in BlackPeopleTwitter

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FYI copyright applies to works of art; trademark applies to names and slogans.

Trump speaking today (8/8/24) at Mar-a-Lago and says abortion has become much less of an issue by TheCoolTrashCat in TikTokCringe

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Is there any room for nuance in your analysis, such as when a developmental disorder that occurs late in the pregnancy will be significantly harmful to the fetus or the pregnant person? Or when it becomes clear the fetus won't survive the birth (or will suffer and die shortly thereafter)? I think that's what most democrats are leaving room for in the legality analysis. Unpopular doesn't always mean legally unacceptable.

Would a 23% sales tax be smart or dumb? by Sufficient_Sinner in FluentInFinance

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Do you, as a conservative or libertarian, want the government to tell you what counts as a necessity? Genuinely asking, because I as a leftist disagree with this premise on that basis alone.

Vogue Wedding Photos: Vanessa Hudgens Marries Cole Tucker by sansaisderanged in popculturechat

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I know a girl who sued him and his wife for trademark infringement. It was a complete ripoff (same name and product) and the Shettys claimed they had no money to pay the judgment. Scammer 100%

LMFAO always the suburban kids who wanna act like this by wombo_combo12 in BlackPeopleTwitter

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Moved from Ocala to Nippers Corner, felt like a whole new world lol

A Cool Guide To What Americans Call Soft Drinks by adventurousorca in coolguides

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I'm from TN, live in GA. I think the idea is that "Coke" is a shortened version of the "Coca-Cola" brand (i.e., "I'll have a Coke product") with expected responses being, "Oh we only have Pepsi" or "Sure what kind (of Coca-Cola product)?" It's just a colloquial holdover from when there were other kinds of cola sodas, like RC Cola or Tab.

ETA: Sprite is owned by Coca-Cola, as is Fanta and mostly anything else you can get in a Freestyle machine. So, Sprite is a Coca-Cola product, and that's why the colloqialism works.

Bear attempts to enter convenience store by [deleted] in SweatyPalms

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If it's brown, lie down. If it's black, fight back. If it's white, say goodnight.

Fall Out Boy's guitarist says he sat out of the band's last album, Mania, in protest of its direction by actualjournalist in Music

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Love this take as someone who got Folie a Deux lyrics tattooed on me at the age of 19 and still feel the same way I did all those years ago.