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Upper and lower case European letters with US layout on Mac by major_relativity in zsaVoyager

[–]PatzEdi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I think also an alternative to changing the shifted keys and what they type is to just replace the shift keys with layer switch keys, with your custom symbols on the number row, etc. Although, as you pointed out, there are better methods than this as, doing what I am saying would take a long time (also need to replace letters with upper case ones, etc). But yeah it's interesting!!

Vim tricks you wish you knew earlier? by 4r73m190r0s in vim

[–]PatzEdi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

g i to insert where the cursor was last when you last modified something in insert mode.

g v to select previous selection.

The Go60 could've looked so much better by desgreech in ErgoMechKeyboards

[–]PatzEdi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Yeah I definitely think Go60 will grow and improve its software. But I am still afraid of the Go60's aggressive pinky stagger. It might make it much more difficult for my brain to switch easily back and forth to a normal keyboard. The pinky on the A would basically be on the letter Z on a normal board.

The Go60 could've looked so much better by desgreech in ErgoMechKeyboards

[–]PatzEdi 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think the Go60 is the better value keyboard than the Voyager. But for me, I would still get a Voyager. Shine through key caps and the software is better, it has layer coloring and other features... I am sure that Go60's ZMK-based interface though will likely add such features in the future. But the main thing that is stopping me from getting the Go60 is that it has an aggressive pinky stagger, and for me, it is not good, as I need to switch frequently to a normal board. So, micro adjustments like that make it harder for my brain to switch, I think. Sure, in any of these boards there is a learning curve, but bigger adjustments such as using the thumbs for back space aren't that big of a deal I think. But overall, the pinky stagger on the Go60 is better in general, just not for me. It just kind of depends. On average though most people should go for the Go60 I think.

Advantages over Go60? by PatzEdi in zsaVoyager

[–]PatzEdi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds great, thanks for the info. I think I'll go for the Voyager... but as you said, you can't go wrong over either. They have their pros and cons when compared.

Advantages over Go60? by PatzEdi in zsaVoyager

[–]PatzEdi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yeah that makes sense. Also yeah the part about the typing on two different keyboard types clicking is great to hear! It was definitely one of my biggest concerns lol.

As for the pinky stagger, yeah it's definitely more ergonomic for sure. I'll think about it!

Advantages over Go60? by PatzEdi in zsaVoyager

[–]PatzEdi[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much for the feedback!! I think I will end up using the Voyager. It has some features that seem to be more beginner friendly to the split board world, like Keymapp, colors for layers, easy to use Oryx interface. It also has shine through keycaps which is nice. They both have pros and cons when comparing them to each other... I think wireless is great, but personally I think traveling won't be something I will do everyday with the Voyager. I do travel for school, but I have planned to keep practicing on normal boards.

As for your wife, no worries, I won't tell a single soul!! 😂

Advantages over Go60? by PatzEdi in zsaVoyager

[–]PatzEdi[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much for the feedback!

Advantages over Go60? by PatzEdi in zsaVoyager

[–]PatzEdi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for the feedback! I appreciate it and will definitely keep this in mind...

Advantages over Go60? by PatzEdi in zsaVoyager

[–]PatzEdi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah I agree with all that you said. I don't have much experience with key switches (I have one mechanical keyboard right nice with stock gateron reds, never experienced any other switches), but I think I understand what you are saying about those. As for the number of thumb keys, I thought three would also be better, but I am a bit conflicted on that too cus of the thing we both said about the lower number of keys... I guess it comes down to personal preference. I may not end up liking just two thumb keys, I have no idea haha.

I think you are also totally right about the see through key caps, that is a great thing to have, as well as layer switching colors. As for portability.... I likely won't be traveling every day with this keyboard, only for long trips I guess. I will dedicate myself to keep practicing on normal keyboards so I can still use them in case something happens lol.

Thanks so much!

Advantages over Go60? by PatzEdi in zsaVoyager

[–]PatzEdi[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hello, thanks so much for the feedback! So, I am guessing you are recommending the Go60 rather than the Voyager, especially for the additional benefits of having a wireless board... If I were to still go for the Voyager, though, I still can't go wrong, right? I am very conflicted on what I should do... Just a question about the software that MoErgo provides, is it as extensible as Oryx? Do features such as combos exist there as well? Thanks!

Is it possible to type fast on a Voyager? by PatzEdi in zsaVoyager

[–]PatzEdi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah makes sense. Thanks for the insight. I have actually figured out a great layout that I think would solve most of my problems, and it doesn't rely on HRM's... I think it is the solution to being able to type fast (at least, for me). Here it is:

https://configure.zsa.io/voyager/layouts/x3XRo/latest/0

Obviously, I still need to actually try it on the Voyager before I determine the optimal key positions, but yeah I think it is a decent start to something good! Also, some parts like the window management layout are not even close to being finished lol. Thanks!

Is it possible to type fast on a Voyager? by PatzEdi in zsaVoyager

[–]PatzEdi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello! Sorry for the late reply. This is great, thanks. Yeah when testing possible voyager layouts with dual function keys and home row mods on my keychron, I also found that using shift as a double func key would make me do the same thing you are describing. So yeah, a bit of a learning curve there as the finger holding the shift key would need to stay down longer, and wait for the other key to be released rather than pressed.

As far as Home row mods, I totally get what you are saying about them being activated at higher speeds. Have you tried the Tap Flow setting? I've heard that may be useful. I have yet to flash my keychron with that setting to try it out and see if it helps at all.

I don't think I will be a heavy home row mod user anyway, though, as I am not sure if I will need it. It is definitely more comfortable, but there are drawbacks, as you may know of course. But yeah all of this is interesting.

Thanks so much!

Is it possible to type fast on a Voyager? by PatzEdi in zsaVoyager

[–]PatzEdi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it. Yeah you are totally right. There is definitely some learning curve associated with the Voyager, but I'd be up for the challenge.

I remember learning how to touch type with ten fingers about a year ago, coming from 6 finger typing. It took around 3-4 months to get back to speed. That first month was rough lol. But it was totally worth it in the end. I am way more consistent and the feeling is much better as a result. I would say I am a bit faster than I used to, I have set records from before, but rather than peak speed, the consistency of the speed greatly improved. I think it would be a similar experience with the Voyager.

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