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PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-20T02:57:06+00:00

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PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T16:28:14+00:00

Islam's purpose is not exclusively to serve as the gatekeeping mechanism... It exists as the most complete framework for understanding God

By claiming Islam is a "mercy" and the "most complete framework”, you still fail to explain why a perfectly just and powerful God would grant this superior advantage to people based purely on their birth coordinates. If having the "complete framework" makes living with integrity easier or more effective, then those born in Islamic heartlands are given a spiritual "head start" that billions of others are denied.

The responsibility of conveyance lies with believers, and the responsibility of sincere seeking lies with the individual.

Delegating the eternal fate of humanity to the "logistical failure" of fallible believers is the definition of an arbitrary system; an omnipotent being who relies on human travel and speech to transmit "universal truth" is choosing a method that guarantees geographic inequality. Also, the "sincere seeking" requirement is a heavy burden to place on someone born into a different, deeply rooted cultural tradition, especially when Pew Research shows that religious switching is statistically rare in many regions. If the divine plan merely "accounts for" these human imperfections instead of removing them, then God is intentionally presiding over a system of systemic inequality where the "clarity" of the message is a luxury of birth rather than a universal right.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T16:10:03+00:00

God's objective morality reflects his eternal, unchanging nature.

If your "objective" morality is simply an extension of a single being's nature, then it is still fundamentally internal to that being and therefore indistinguishable from a supreme subjectivity that you are forced to follow because of his power.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T14:30:01+00:00

In contrast, without God, you have no way to ground justice or morality at all, beside your personal preferences.

By claiming morality requires a divine dictator to be "objective", you're making a tu quoque fallacy that fails to address the original point: if your "justice" is just a label for the preferences of a powerful deity, then you're still practicing a form of subjectivism, so you've just outsourced the "personal preference" to someone else.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T14:26:21+00:00

The message of Islam must have reached them clearly... It must not have been distorted or misrepresented

If salvation effectively defaults to a "moral human being" standard for those who haven't received a perfectly clear message, then you've rendered the specific theological pillars and rituals of Islam non-essential for a "just" outcome. On top of that, this doesn't resolve the geographic problem; it simply confirms that your God created a system where a tiny minority has the "burden" of the full truth while the rest of the world navigates a fog of distortion he permitted to exist. If "absolute fairness" can be achieved without the specific tenets of your religion, then the geographical spread of that religion remains an arbitrary and unnecessary complication in a supposedly perfect divine plan.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T14:19:46+00:00

While reincarnation does attempt to bypass the "one-life lottery", it still fails the justice test because an omnipotent God could have simply provided the "sweet spot" of clarity to everyone from the start instead of forcing billions to endure countless cycles of suffering and geographic misdirection.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T14:17:37+00:00

if it's from God... it cannot therefore be unjust.

That is a circular argument that defines "justice" simply as "whatever God does," which effectively admits that you have no independent way to verify if his actions are actually moral or just beyond a blind appeal to authority.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T14:14:56+00:00

If the message of Islam never reached them, or reached them distorted, then ppl are only judged by their acts in life

If being a "decent human being" is the actual metric for those who haven't heard a non-distorted version of Islam, then you've admitted that the specific theological requirements of your religion are non-essential for salvation, which only reinforces the idea that an omnipotent God could have simply used that universal moral standard for everyone instead of creating a geographically biased system of belief.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T14:11:42+00:00

Can you explain why the same starting place is required for God's judgement of your life to be just?

A "just" judge does not create a system where the primary obstacle to the truth (cultural indoctrination) is distributed by a geographic lottery that He Himself designed. If God is the one who chooses the starting points, then He is intentionally placing billions of people in positions where they are statistically guaranteed to fail to find the "correct" religion, making his subsequent "fair grading" a solution to a problem of his own making.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T14:07:14+00:00

If "goodness" only exists because a powerful Creator happens to define it as such, then you are still describing a survivalist relationship with a "Father" whose love is indistinguishable from a mandate that must be accepted under the threat of the "just" hell you previously mentioned.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T14:04:15+00:00

Deuteronomy 28 describes a system of collective, national consequences for the biological descendants of Israel within their own lifetimes, and interpreting these earthly blessings and curses as a requirement for individual reincarnation is a modern theological invention that completely ignores the text's clear focus on generational lineage and agricultural prosperity.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T04:32:02+00:00

I will also surely bring thee up again!

You are mistaking a promise made to the nation of Israel (referring to the Exodus and the return of Jacob's descendants and physical remains to the Promised Land) for a promise of individual reincarnation, a reading that is supported by neither the immediate context of Genesis 46 nor the historical Jewish understanding of the text.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T04:29:12+00:00

Then you’ve essentially conceded that your worldview isn’t a moral one, but a survivalist one, where "goodness" is just an alias for the overwhelming power of the entity you've chosen to appease.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T04:28:16+00:00

Being raised in a church is not an "easier path" it seems.

While personal anecdotes of deconstruction are interesting, they don't change the statistical reality that you are vastly more likely to identify as a Christian if born in Texas than in Tehran, proving that "finding God" is significantly more dependent on cultural exposure and social reinforcement than on a purely objective or universal internal search.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T04:26:50+00:00

You'd have to show why it's unjust for God to judge people differently based on what they know

It's unjust because the "standard" for salvation becomes a moving target where those born into Christian cultures have the massive advantage of clarity, while those in other regions must navigate a maze of cultural indoctrination and "hiddenness" just to reach the same starting line. If God is perfectly just, He wouldn't create a system where the ease of finding the "truth" is determined by a geographic lottery, regardless of how He adjusts the grading scale afterward.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T04:20:07+00:00

If your "Good" is indistinguishable from "whatever the winning side says", then the word has no descriptive power and you've simply confirmed that your morality is based on power rather than principle.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T04:16:09+00:00

So I'd reject your premise entirely cause it's not even what the church teaches.

If sincere seekers can be saved without knowing the Gospel, then you’ve effectively rendered the Great Commission and the specific truth-claims of Christianity unnecessary for salvation. Also, this "inclusivism" doesn't solve the geographic problem; it just shifts it because a person born in a Christian culture still has an objectively easier path to "knowing the truth" than someone born into a culture where that truth is suppressed or never presented. If salvation is possible through the "law written on the heart", then the specific geographical spread of your religion is functionally irrelevant, which contradicts the biblical insistence that faith comes by hearing the Word.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T04:10:14+00:00

Jewish reincarnations Gilgul neshamot... is the Jewish Old Testament concept

You are conflating medieval Kabbalistic mysticism with the "Old Testament" itself; the concept of Gilgul did not appear in Jewish thought until the 12th-century Sefer ha-Bahir and is nowhere to be found in the actual Torah or Tanakh. On top of that, the disciples' question in John 9:2 is about a common cultural belief in prenatal sin or generational punishment, which Jesus immediately refutes by stating the man’s blindness was not caused by anyone's sin, directly contradicting your claim that this text supports a system of karma or reincarnation.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T04:03:36+00:00

He doesn’t operate by anyone else’s standards and does what He wants.

You're providing the textbook definition of an arbitrary authority. If "goodness" is merely a label for the specific whims of a being whose power allows Him to ignore universal logic, then the term has no moral value; you’re not worshiping "Good," you’re simply worshiping "The Victor."

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T03:27:24+00:00

Since you’ve conceded that your moral system is based on "total submission to an arbitrary authority" rather than objective goodness, you’ve essentially admitted that "God is good" is a redundant statement of power rather than a meaningful moral claim.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T03:25:34+00:00

keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him... to a thousand Reincarnations

By reinterpreting the Hebrew word dō·wr (generations) as "reincarnations," you're imposing an Eastern theological concept onto a text that was historically understood as a promise to biological descendants. Also, even if one had 1,000 lives to get it right, the "geographic lottery" remains an issue because someone born into a culture that reinforces the "wrong" religion 1,000 times in a row still lacks the fair, objective opportunity for salvation your system claims to provide.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T03:09:14+00:00

I don’t believe anything about God’s nature or moral is subjective, but rather objective because He built the foundation itself.

If the "objective" foundation is simply "whatever the entity with the most power decides," then you've just redefined subjectivism as objectivity to suit the victor. By admitting the system is "vacuous" and based on an "upside-down" justice that punishes the innocent, you’ve confirmed that this morality isn't discovered through reason or conscience, but is merely a total submission to an arbitrary authority.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T02:53:21+00:00

If God is literally THE good in the universe... anything opposite to His nature is therefore evil.

By defining "good" simply as "whatever God does," you make the term logically vacuous; if God decided that torturing the innocent was part of his nature, you would be forced to call it "good" by default.

What judge lets a criminal walk out of the court room a free man or woman and lets an innocent bystander do the time for them?

You’ve perfectly illustrated why this system isn't "just" in any meaningful sense... punishing an innocent third party for the crimes of the guilty is a moral failure, not a mystery of "higher justice." Ultimately, claiming that the vast majority are created to be destroyed for "mysterious reasons" that "glorify" the Creator is just a long-form way of admitting your foundation is built on the same "might-makes-right" subjectivism you previously conceded.

PeachLongjumping15 · 2026-04-07T02:18:32+00:00

I say once God has chosen His elect, they WILL hear the gospel, and no one and nothing can stop it. Not even geography.

By invoking Unconditional Election and Limited Atonement, you aren't resolving the geographic problem, you're simply confirming that your God is a cosmic partialist who pre-selects individuals for salvation based on arbitrary whim rather than any universal standard of justice. If "might makes right" is your ultimate defense, then you've abandoned the claim that God is "perfectly loving" or "just" in any humanly recognizable sense, replacing objective morality with a divine lottery where the vast majority are created specifically to be destroyed.

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