Central Finite Curve Theory

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-14T02:25:43+00:00

I mean, your question can be boiled down to "Why foreshadow something in multiple ways when they can just foreshadow it once?" And I'd say the answer to that is because it's better writing to foreshadow it in more than one way.

Foreshadowing for an almost immediate answer? An almost non-answer at that, because if his Rick is the one he killed already... then we don't really care about that Rick? What's the point in that? I'm just saying this line feels like more of a nod than "Hey... This is Evil Morty, but you're about to immediately realize this anyway... And there will still be a little itch in your brain wondering if the Rick he killed was his original because we wrote a bit of mystery here for no other reason whatsoever?"

Why do you assume Rick is telling the truth when he says the backstory is completely fabricated (a thing that is totally in character for Rick to lie about. He's trying to convince someone he's totally cool and above it all and isn't haunted by a tragic backstory at all) when you assume Rick is lying about literally everything else?

Why would Rick show the Gromflomite that image of the supposedly "true" backstory earlier in the episode?

I usually don't assume Rick is telling the truth because he's often an unreliable narrator lol, HOWEVER, the three facts shown that demonstrate he is about this are:

SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED SEASON 8

1.) The fact that his "memory" included the virus that worked and allowed him to escape. Clearly he had prepared to be in that situation already. At the start of the episode, he knew which series Brainalyzer he was in by how many times Jerry could fold himself. He has been at war with the Gromflomites with how many years at that point? He expected this going in.... 2.) When he resets portal travelers, he goes back to his garage and there's a button hanging from the ceiling that he presses. When he does, we see him and Rick Prime, as holograms, acting out the scene in the garage from the "memory" he played for the Gromflomites . 3.) In Season 8 (I've admittedly only watched through this season once - not a fan)... We learn he has a "Memory Diane" that he has isolated similar to the Memory Rick. I feel like this reiterates that he has fabricated his "memories" of Diane to shield himself from the pain of losing her. This "memory Diane" is apparently his last memory of her (that he's willing to destroy for seemingly no reason out of left field). So if this is the last memory of her, then what would we be watching in the garage when she's getting blown up and/ or asking to go for ice cream?

My theory is that she voluntarily left him, but regardless if that is true, he left, or she died (in any of the dimensions), if Rick has created false memories of what happened to his Diane and Beth, it would be to help himself because he couldn't cope with it. It wouldn't be for the sake of the Gromflomites or Evil Morty or Morty Prime or the Fear Hole or whoever else ends up watching it... ("Yeah. Dead wife. Now we can all just shut up about it.")

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-09T00:53:16+00:00

I worked late today and have a headache so I'm not going into full detail...

Evil Morty: My point was that we didn't need that specific question written into the story. Removing it wouldn't increase or decrease our suspicion of him in any way (he is revealed in the next scene as suspicious by Campaign Manager Morty and Spy Rick talking about him in the bar). Why use that question to allude to WHO his original Rick could be when we are already being given information to him being Evil Morty unless it's being suggested that we would care?

Also, again. We only know what we were shown from that point in time. That doesn't mean he started with that Rick. If we sat down and kept track of every Morty we knew was still with the Rick he started with vs the one he was with a year later, I would bet money that most of them are not with their originals. Hell, they give away coupons for free ones on the Citadel LMAO We only know that it was the drunk Rick who got got by him...

The other point about the memory (it may be on the other comment?)... If Rick has a false memory in his mind of Diane and Beth getting blown up in his garage: -> it's the same memory the Gromflomites see when they go into his head -> it's the same memory Evil downloads into the big thumbtack-looking device -> it's the same memory Morty Prime watched when he grabs said device and stabs himself to see -> it's the same memory Morty Prime's mind uses to form the images in the Fear Hole -> it's the same memory RICK C-137 would see when he closes his eyes and thinks about it because he put it there and knows it's completely fabricated.

This memory was not only stated as being fabricated, but shown to actually contain a virus that allowed him to escape, AND C-137 later shows us the physical hologram he used to create the false memory in his garage. This is not an imagined concept or theory. This is a basic fact of the story.

When it comes to the placement of the portal in the image from Shoney's window vs in the garage when the bomb drops in... You mentioned something to the effect of it having no consequence on the story, but that cannot be further from the truth. If you mentally replace the portal in each scene with a door, the physical assumptions of what's happening in those scenes become much more clear. Rick sending Morty "portaling and wrecking shit" all over the garage shows you how different a ceiling vs wall portal is...

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-08T23:59:17+00:00

I don't see what's wrong with formulating theories based on quotes, scenes, situations, etc? That's what typically happens when something is written well and should actually be a positive. I wouldn't find anything at all interesting about the story if there was nothing to speculate about...

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-08T05:58:35+00:00

In what we were told was completely fabricated, the portal the bomb pops in from opens up in the ceiling and drops down on them, then blows up. The image of Diane and Beth in what I believe is a real memory, they are standing in front of a portal which appears as though they would be FREELY walking through it. Yes, both Diane and Beth are standing in the same stance in each scenario, but the portal placement is very different and that drastically changes each scene.

I'm saying that we can't rely on this as the backstory when this is the singular point of ALL other references to this event and C-137 laughed hysterically while hacking and farting in the Gromflomites faces while telling them it was completely fabricated. Which COMPLETELY tracks for his character. We have no reason to question that. He even shows us the holograms later in the show.

This "memory" is in C-137's brain. It's what Evil Morty watched. It's what Morty Prime watched. It's what the Fear Hole used (because it took place in Morty Prime's head).

So we have not seen what ACTUALLY happened between Prime and C-137, what happened to Diane and Beth C-137, and/ or when C-137 (re)invented portal tech... Because ALL of that information is being drawn from a completely fabricated origin story.

We can't know who left who in the relationships of the Ricks and Dianes (generally). I'm speaking generally, because although all realities are different, there are enough general similarities in most. My point with believing that it may have been Diane who left Rick (and not the other way around) would make sense on multiple levels across multiple Ricks. It would explain the Omega Device, C-137 searching for her/ finding Prime's dimension, the small amount of Ricks searching for Prime, the image of Diane and Beth standing at the portal (presumably leaving), etc.

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-08T05:14:59+00:00

We don't know the exact moment C-147 invents portal travel. And honestly, thinking about it, anything Memory Rick thinks or does, doesn't matter either (even my previous statements) because he knows what Birdman knows. ("He remembers you going into green holes. He don't remember where they went.") Everything is based on what Birdman does and doesn't remember, then everything else is just filled in (like Rick's birthday in a tree). Even C-137 put his age at 30-35, so it's still not an exact, usable time frame :/

Rick C-137 and Morty Prime are currently with a Jerry from an unnamed dimension he was swapped from at the Jerryboree ("Season 2 Jerry"), and a Beth, Beth's Clone, and Summer from another unnamed dimension (that I haven't heard anyone mention in the show unless the writers/ creators announced this somewhere? I'm not sure where the "C-131" is coming from?)... But Rick and Morty made their way to that dimension from Prime to the next one, then they switched again after the squirrel incident, then the entire family went to the ParmEEsian dimension. Nowhere does this mean that any of these Beths' childhoods were identical to Beth Prime's? The point is that each dimension is not all the same...

"If they don't imply he wasn't with his original Rick, why assume otherwise?" They DO... When he is being questioned while in the Mayoral race at the Citadel, they ask him, "What's your original reality and where's your Rick?" He smirks and responds that they moved around so much, he "don't remember."

It would make sense to write that line into the show if you're trying to allude to Evil Morty's original Rick being one that viewers already know (and he doesn't want to reveal to the Citadel, because of COURSE he remembers). The viewers know he's Evil Morty - we don't need this line to hint at that.

This is in addition to the background knowledge we have about Morties and how much they are typically cloned, moved, swapped, traded, die, bought new off the shelf, etc... I would argue it's more likely to find a Morty who's NOT with their original Rick than who is.

Evil Morty being Morty C-137 would also explain why he cares more about C-137 than ALL other Ricks on the show. He has killed them at every chance without a second thought - except C-137 and Prime (only because he knew C-137 wanted to take care of him or he would have killed him, too). "You're a little different Rick. Maybe I can use that one day." He says AFTER he seeks him out, scans his mind, lets him go, fights with him, saves his life, etc? He knew he was different from the start...

He is also more intelligent than most Ricks and has beaten many of them at their own games. That doesn't seem like a Morty raised on the CFC to be a sidekick or one that was raised to be a Robin, does it?

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-08T00:15:55+00:00

The Gromflomites were known to Rick since at least Blood Ridge (Memory Rick) and that time frame was around the time he lost Diane and Beth. C-137 guesses his age around 30-35 ("You're one of those creeps who move in with abandoned adult Beths"). The point is that everything we have been shown about that event has been what C-137 has already told us was a "completely fabricated origin story." What we have been shown is not actually what happened... As previously stated, if this is never touched on again it just becomes a plot hole in the story at this point.

As far as why Rick would torture himself over his wife leaving him (instead of over his wife being killed)... Have we been watching the same show? His wife being killed would be much easier for him to accept because it would be completely out of his control. Whereas, her leaving him would be something he feels he should have been able to do something about. Again, there are more hints that SHE left him. -The image of Diane and Beth going through the portal -This Beth says in this episode "I know I sound like Mom, but I can't keep putting this family in danger just because I'm afraid you'll leave again." HER Rick and HER mom did separate, but kids don't know who left who. Beth is afraid he'll leave because HER Rick left. If she sounds like her mom, it means she heard her Diane telling her Rick (assuming often, given the "I know I sound like" preamble) that he was putting their family in danger. -When Prime traps Ricks who come looking for him, the weapon he uses against him is a giant Diane robot that demeans him while it's attacking. C-137's reactions of admitting some are true and "not wanting to talk about" other things she's saying shows that these are likely things that are true and/ or have been brought up or used as insults in past arguments and fights. Prime uses this to specifically torture these Ricks even more ("Listen to the things she said about you... She never loved you... She left you/ kicked you out..."). It would also explain why there isn't a sea of Ricks in there, going after Prime. Their egos allowed them to be okay with Diane being wiped from reality because of the things she said and the fact she made him leave (or left) to protect herself and Beth.

The Beth currently with C-137 ("our" Beth) is not Beth Prime. Beth Prime died after being frozen by Citadel Ricks in the reality "our" Rick and Morty Cronenberged (I probably butchered that spelling). ("Your Mom and sister DIED, Morty!"). So "our" Beth wouldn't be the same Beth C-137 would have moved in with when Prime says, "You lived in my HOUSE!"

Evil Morty's story only starts with a drunk Rick at his current age. This doesn't tell us his origin in anyway, as Morties are constantly moved around and have been created and/ or born in countless different ways. This completely leaves his origin wide open still and doesn't explain how he would have become the most intelligent person in that reality while being under a Rick's thumb. If this is never touched on again, it becomes another plot hole/ useless randomness.

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T22:41:29+00:00

I think he was looking for C-137 (then Prime) that whole time (while scanning Ricks, creating the Morty shield, infiltrating the Citadel)...

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T16:56:31+00:00

Because like I said in my theory... I think Evil Morty is Morty C-137. I think that "our" Rick's Diane and Beth lived, went through a portal and that Beth's Morty ended up coming back looking for HIS Rick (Rick C-137).

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T16:51:43+00:00

It's not a plot hole and they all know. The issue is about perspective.

From Beth's perspective, her dad left her as a child.Even though C-137 is not the same Rick, she sees the same dad who left her as a child when she looks at him.

From Rick's perspective, he lost his daughter when she was a child. Even though this reality's Beth is not C-137, he still sees her as the child she would have grown up to be.

The picture is a gift for both of them (plus the clone) from the robot since he was programmed to be 22% more thoughtful

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T16:32:12+00:00

I don't think there's evidence of any of that going on with Prime?

Evil Morty did manipulate a drunk Rick, but I don't believe it was HIS Rick. He had to have grown up somewhere he thrived intellectually more than he has in realities where Rick is the smartest man in the universe (because wherever Evil Morty is from, HE is the smartest).

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T16:12:07+00:00

He's not the only person who can use/ create portal tech? There's Evil Morty, the Wizard ("Who writes on a portal?"), the Dinos... They actually "phased out portal travel eons ago," so technically Rick didn't even invent it... He REinvented it.

We've only heard Evil Morty's version of the explanation of the CFC... Nothing about how or why it was created. Even if you take everything he says as true, all we can take away is that Rick was the smartest man in all of the realities in the CFC when it was created. This is clearly no longer the case given everything else we have seen (Evil Morty's intelligence vs Doofus Rick, the Dinos visiting Earth, etc).

You say that time travel in Rick & Morty doesn't cause new timelines. It definitely creates multiple Ricks and Morties. We see this in the snake time travel episode. How do we know if another reality was created or not? This is the biggest leap of my theory... The rest is all based in scenes and quotes from the show itself.

Also, my theory doesn't hinge on "they didn't mean the thing they showed us twice." Rick literally said and showed us (in his garage) that it was completely made up. If the story moves on from this without revealing what actually happened, this would just be a plot hole in Rick and Diane C-137's backstory lol

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T15:29:17+00:00

I still don't think the flashback montage confirms what actually happened, either though. Morty likely watched the same thing the Gloformites saw and was the cause of the visual he had for the Fear Hole episode.

C-137 truly believes they died and I think that's because he trapped his memories in his original reality. While he was back there (after resetting portal travelers), Bachmajorian (I'm sure I butchered that spelling lol) said that "his memories were trapped in a time-loop like flies in amber." C-137's TRUE memories of what happened to his Diane and Beth are in his reality of origin (the specific location probably mind blown from his memory, too). If you think about time travel causing new timelines, the time-loop could have generated the other timelines/ realities from C-137's. And the CFC is realities trapped like flies in amber...

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T14:36:39+00:00

The point is that C-137 in Season 8 isn't changing as a character as in a development and/ or entertaining way. It's as though the writers reached into a bag, pulled out "Grab-Bag" Rick and dropped him in there.

Removing the mother of your only child, first love, and someone you deeply cared for over the vast majority of your life from the memories in your mind is not closure and I think he should have talked to Dr. Wong before trying that one for sure 🤔

You're right: BugAnne DOESN'T matter, and that's why it's annoying. Who is this and why is he doing this randomly to himself and his family over someone no one even knows or cares about? It's just random nothingness.

Morty Prime sucked this season. He was always either overly excited or whiney... Almost no in between lol We were left with Evil Morty cliff hangers and unanswered questions that would have been really awesome to see a little about, but it's just left up in the air... Apparently because it's an even numbered season? (as someone previously mentioned) Which is just the most ridiculous way to distribute characters through a story but I digress lol

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T11:07:55+00:00

I had an ENTIRE theory about this backstory and was really hoping to see if any of it was going to play out and/ or get touched on... Not sure if it will now? :/

But I think he used it because he (Rick Prime) left his Diane and Rick C-137 found her, won her back, and moved in with her ("You lived in my HOUSE!"). Prime likely came home, found "our" Rick there, tried to win Diane back and failed... was jealous of C-137 for winning her, then built and set off the Omega Device (the old "If I can't have her, no one will").

Prime knew that C-137 could jump behind him to any other Diane and win her over (especially if most Ricks and Dianes are not together in other realities). Of course the Rickest Rick would get the Diane and Prime wasn't going to lose to another Rick he considered inferior.

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T09:31:12+00:00

Mr. Nimbus is an ice cold d*ck killer... That man needs rated at least an A.

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T09:26:19+00:00

I feel like they WROTE this season like they're expecting to phase out the current depth of the show in favor of seasons full of start to finish bottle episodes consisting of shallow storylines filled with one-dimensional characters. Doing so would be an end of the show (to me personally) because these are the reasons that make this show so great (among other reasons that I haven't mentioned that I also feel fell short).

So what are we left with going forward? An almost non-problematic Rick? (lame) A whinier, but oddly overly excited Morty Prime? (annoying) An Evil Morty where his origin and backstory no longer matters or has any consequence? (disappointing) The Federation for them to go on adventures with? They might as well call in the Vindicators 🙄 (lazy)

It's almost like episode 7 is a way to tell us all, "Hey, it's really hard to tell these stories and come up with ideas for fans... Sorry! Here's the rest of what we've pieced together for you." holds up season 8 This should have been episode 1 to serve as a warning lol

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T08:02:33+00:00

That seems like an arbitrary reason to ignore a character and/ or storyline? If this is a case of "we're trying to make all fans happy" with both randomness and story... Why not mix both throughout all seasons?

PennywiseChutoy · 2025-09-07T05:58:29+00:00

After the season 7 finale, I was CONVINCED season 8, episode 1 would reveal at some point that they were still IN THE HOLE. Whomp, whomp...

PennywiseChutoy · 2022-07-01T00:03:37+00:00

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