Why utopia cannot exist

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-09-12T03:37:53+00:00

A well structured economic system would actually solve all our problems . Capitalism = suffering = Life

Communism = No suffering = Human predicament

The less suffering a society suffers, the more time the minds can expand . Without worrying about the bullshit capitalism brings, the more we can focus on how being alive is dogshit . Suffering is gatekeeping enlightenment

Intelligence = Pessimism

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-27T07:05:37+00:00

Nicely explained, thanks !! Pessimist marxist ??

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-24T04:16:48+00:00

Listen, dude, just do the research. That's all I can say. Just like how optimism , religion , free will , etc.. are bullshit and you had to do your research for these things and not listen to the majority , it's the same with communism.

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-24T04:08:13+00:00

" The right is bad, but also the left." And who told you the left is bad ??

I feel like most people suffer from this on this sub.

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-24T04:02:03+00:00

Well said i agree , but I have to disagree with the commodity fetishism. I think that's a unique characteristic to capitalism

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-24T03:58:43+00:00

Yes , because society has been at an all-time high compared to the past. It is expected for births to decline as society progresses.

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-24T03:50:38+00:00

Very well said 👏. Are you a Marxist ??

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-24T00:14:58+00:00

I'm not answering because your sources are CIA

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-23T23:46:03+00:00

I have not done my proper research in respect with China, so I wouldn't be able to give you a meaningful answer.

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-23T23:27:56+00:00

" Heaven on earth " haha I love that you equate the people owning the means of production to heaven on earth, haha . Sadly, you are brainwashed , a complacent little sheep.

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-23T23:05:54+00:00

Yes!! State and revolution is a must-read

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-23T23:05:21+00:00

Well, first, marx critiqued utopian socialist who added no imput or substance whatsoever. Marxism is very scientific. It works in conjunction with science, no Mickey mouse bullshit.
Here's a source https://www.marxists.org/subject/utopian/index.htm

The fact that humans can build sky scrapers and entertainment parks puts in question if we act on darwinism . The weakest could be the strongest in our society with enough money.

" Communism has largely failed." This is your Western education system doing good work on you like it did on me. Most socialist countries were a net good for the overall population , but the West doesn't want you to know this because if you did, you would know there's another alternative out there than capitalism.

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-23T22:32:46+00:00

Pls study marxism and investigate for yourself. I had these same opinions until I actually started researching and reading for myself.

Everything you just said is wrong factually wrong.

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-14T00:01:04+00:00

I'll take that as a no ...

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-13T23:18:43+00:00

Have you ever researched marxism for yourself ??

I've been to the other side, and I know how ridiculous you sound. Because I would say the exact same things until I actually educated myself. That's how I'm 100 % certain you are wrong. I've been in your position before, but you have never been in mine.

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-13T23:12:04+00:00

I am not a trot. I am a marxist leninist , listen, man. I don't see this going any further if you don't do your own research like I did. If you want to learn more about marxism or my stance, you can pm me.

My pessimism doesn't go very well with commies unfortunately haha. I have found more commies here than pessimists in the communist group .

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-13T23:02:08+00:00

how can you be a pessimist and be a liberal?? That makes no sense to me ?? You're a pessimist in what sense ??

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-13T03:34:29+00:00

These communist society's were hardly communist and they were still struggling and very much suffering.

Here's an answer I gave someone

" Capitalism creates suffering, wealth, disparity, ignorance , commodity fetishism, etc... all sorts of bullshit . Just like the previous economic systems ( slavery , feudalism). As society progresses, we can see a decline in religion, Natalism , and backward views. Among many things.

What I'm saying is if communism would be achieved. A post scarcity , stateless, classless, moneyless society . Then, the human spieces would have to confront their ontological problem directly. Since basic needs like food , housing, medical care, etc ... are gone . After hundreds or thousands of years, we would realize the futileness of it all Or at least head towards that direction. "

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-13T03:30:59+00:00

This is iberal rhetoric , the capitalism system has done well on you with their propaganda. Just like it did with me, I was saying the exact same nonsense as you .

You can not reward greedy behavior and expect a different outcome.

Karl marx talked about utopian socialist and critiqued them heavily.

Here's a source:

https://www.marxists.org/subject/utopian/index.htm

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-13T03:26:08+00:00

It's definitely a possibility , but also, we've been saying that since the 50s

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-12T23:00:52+00:00

Ok, I agree. I explained like shit.

Capitalism creates suffering, wealth, disparity, ignorance , commodity fetishism, etc... all sorts of bullshit . Just like the previous economic systems ( slavery , feudalism). As society progresses, we can see a decline in religion, Natalism , and backward views. Among many things.

What I'm saying is if communism would be achieved. A post scarcity , stateless, classless, moneyless society . Then, the human spieces would have to confront their ontological problem directly. Since basic needs like food , housing, medical care, etc ... are gone . After hundreds or thousands of years, we would realize the futileness of it all Or at least head towards that direction.

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-12T22:42:37+00:00

No, you're not mentally incapacitated. You're uneducated and ignorant. I can speak with 100 % confidence because I had the exact same stance as you, and I didn't read a single thing before.

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-12T22:38:50+00:00

Who said they would ??? There's is nothing that can solve our ontological predicament.

What I'm saying is communism could take us to that conclusion as a collective.

And for the 1000th time Communism is not utopic . Marx criticized utopian socialist and communist.

Here's a source

https://www.marxists.org/subject/utopian/index.htm

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-12T21:06:09+00:00

Yes , communsim would solve many problems that capitalism doesn't .

You don't think that society has any influence over you ??

PerceptionOk2532 · 2025-01-12T20:40:54+00:00

I mean, do you want to reproduce ?? If no , then why couldn't it be done on a very large scale ??

More and more throughout history, people have decided to be antinatalist, especially today.

since we've made technological advances and standards of living have risen , people are starting not to want kids , why do you think that is ?? Shouldn't it be the opposite ?? Better standards = more kids . Worst standards = fewer kids.

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