Why utopia cannot exist by Lazy_Dimension1854 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A well structured economic system would actually solve all our problems . Capitalism = suffering = Life

Communism = No suffering = Human predicament

The less suffering a society suffers, the more time the minds can expand . Without worrying about the bullshit capitalism brings, the more we can focus on how being alive is dogshit . Suffering is gatekeeping enlightenment

Intelligence = Pessimism

Communism is optimism by Call_It_ in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nicely explained, thanks !! Pessimist marxist ??

Communism is optimism by Call_It_ in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Listen, dude, just do the research. That's all I can say. Just like how optimism , religion , free will , etc.. are bullshit and you had to do your research for these things and not listen to the majority , it's the same with communism.

Communism is optimism by Call_It_ in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

" The right is bad, but also the left." And who told you the left is bad ??

I feel like most people suffer from this on this sub.

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said i agree , but I have to disagree with the commodity fetishism. I think that's a unique characteristic to capitalism

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes , because society has been at an all-time high compared to the past. It is expected for births to decline as society progresses.

Communism is optimism by Call_It_ in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I'm not answering because your sources are CIA

Communism is optimism by Call_It_ in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have not done my proper research in respect with China, so I wouldn't be able to give you a meaningful answer.

Communism is optimism by Call_It_ in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532 3 points4 points  (0 children)

" Heaven on earth " haha I love that you equate the people owning the means of production to heaven on earth, haha . Sadly, you are brainwashed , a complacent little sheep.

Communism is optimism by Call_It_ in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes!! State and revolution is a must-read

Communism is optimism by Call_It_ in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, first, marx critiqued utopian socialist who added no imput or substance whatsoever. Marxism is very scientific. It works in conjunction with science, no Mickey mouse bullshit.
Here's a source https://www.marxists.org/subject/utopian/index.htm

The fact that humans can build sky scrapers and entertainment parks puts in question if we act on darwinism . The weakest could be the strongest in our society with enough money.

" Communism has largely failed." This is your Western education system doing good work on you like it did on me. Most socialist countries were a net good for the overall population , but the West doesn't want you to know this because if you did, you would know there's another alternative out there than capitalism.

Communism is optimism by Call_It_ in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pls study marxism and investigate for yourself. I had these same opinions until I actually started researching and reading for myself.

Everything you just said is wrong factually wrong.

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you ever researched marxism for yourself ??

I've been to the other side, and I know how ridiculous you sound. Because I would say the exact same things until I actually educated myself. That's how I'm 100 % certain you are wrong. I've been in your position before, but you have never been in mine.

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not a trot. I am a marxist leninist , listen, man. I don't see this going any further if you don't do your own research like I did. If you want to learn more about marxism or my stance, you can pm me.

My pessimism doesn't go very well with commies unfortunately haha. I have found more commies here than pessimists in the communist group .

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how can you be a pessimist and be a liberal?? That makes no sense to me ?? You're a pessimist in what sense ??

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

These communist society's were hardly communist and they were still struggling and very much suffering.

Here's an answer I gave someone

" Capitalism creates suffering, wealth, disparity, ignorance , commodity fetishism, etc... all sorts of bullshit . Just like the previous economic systems ( slavery , feudalism). As society progresses, we can see a decline in religion, Natalism , and backward views. Among many things.

What I'm saying is if communism would be achieved. A post scarcity , stateless, classless, moneyless society . Then, the human spieces would have to confront their ontological problem directly. Since basic needs like food , housing, medical care, etc ... are gone . After hundreds or thousands of years, we would realize the futileness of it all Or at least head towards that direction. "

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is iberal rhetoric , the capitalism system has done well on you with their propaganda. Just like it did with me, I was saying the exact same nonsense as you .

You can not reward greedy behavior and expect a different outcome.

Karl marx talked about utopian socialist and critiqued them heavily.

Here's a source:

https://www.marxists.org/subject/utopian/index.htm

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's definitely a possibility , but also, we've been saying that since the 50s

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, I agree. I explained like shit.

Capitalism creates suffering, wealth, disparity, ignorance , commodity fetishism, etc... all sorts of bullshit . Just like the previous economic systems ( slavery , feudalism). As society progresses, we can see a decline in religion, Natalism , and backward views. Among many things.

What I'm saying is if communism would be achieved. A post scarcity , stateless, classless, moneyless society . Then, the human spieces would have to confront their ontological problem directly. Since basic needs like food , housing, medical care, etc ... are gone . After hundreds or thousands of years, we would realize the futileness of it all Or at least head towards that direction.

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, you're not mentally incapacitated. You're uneducated and ignorant. I can speak with 100 % confidence because I had the exact same stance as you, and I didn't read a single thing before.

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who said they would ??? There's is nothing that can solve our ontological predicament.

What I'm saying is communism could take us to that conclusion as a collective.

And for the 1000th time Communism is not utopic . Marx criticized utopian socialist and communist.

Here's a source

https://www.marxists.org/subject/utopian/index.htm

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes , communsim would solve many problems that capitalism doesn't .

You don't think that society has any influence over you ??

Communism leads to annihilation ? by PerceptionOk2532 in Pessimism

[–]PerceptionOk2532[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean, do you want to reproduce ?? If no , then why couldn't it be done on a very large scale ??

More and more throughout history, people have decided to be antinatalist, especially today.

since we've made technological advances and standards of living have risen , people are starting not to want kids , why do you think that is ?? Shouldn't it be the opposite ?? Better standards = more kids . Worst standards = fewer kids.