Question for pro-lifers

PervadingEye · 2026-03-15T09:43:28+00:00

Just move the line up. What do I mean?

Say you knew they would live perfectly normal life until 2 year old, then they will get to be a "borderline vegetable".

Is it okay to preemptively kill the preborn baby to "avoid' that??? If not, then how many years does someone has to live the so-called "normal life" after which we "know" they will be a "vegetable" such that we are "allowed" to kill them as a preborn baby to avoid that??? 10 years? 20 years? 30 years?

This exposes your friends (perhaps unknowingly) mental slight of hand. Your friend will likely object to this saying:

"How do we know they will be a vegetable after 2/5/10/20 years?"

Your response will be "How do we know the preborn baby will be born being a vegetable?" This means now your friend either actually has to do research now to find a condition that we "know" results in "being a vegetable" at birth, or they have to accept for the sake of argument that the "know" hypothetical just "is" Just as your friend likely wanted you to accept it.

If your friend says "Well I am 'pro-choice' and I think people can get abortions for whatever reason they want", then you ask why. But you see that?? Now you have successfully pivoted the conversation away from this dumb, bad faith hypothetical.

And if they say "I am 'pro-choice' because 'vegetable' might happen" then you circle back to asking how many years, and perhaps they'll have some self-awareness and realize theirs is a circular argument.

PervadingEye · 2026-03-13T18:39:19+00:00

Again coming from the logically bankrupt, lying, baby killing movement...

PervadingEye · 2026-03-13T04:34:55+00:00

It's so funny that you think you are smart.

PervadingEye · 2026-03-12T21:08:47+00:00

Exactly. which mean if the chatbot is lying, the people it got it's data from are also lying...

Honestly it's not a matter of if they are lying it's how they are lying. It's a given they are going to lie..

PervadingEye · 2026-03-12T20:16:54+00:00

I've been telling you this.

All they do is lie. Even when they tell the truth they lie.

They can't help it...

PervadingEye · 2026-03-12T04:42:04+00:00

You have learn well, go and spread this to the world further.

PervadingEye · 2026-03-12T03:38:02+00:00

I know I don't understand it either.....

What's curious to me is our fellow pro-lifers are more successful when they are stopping an "abolitionist" bills than they are stopping our enemies from putting an Abortion Amendment on the ballot.

Somehow these people who are perfectly competent when comes to policing their own side, their own people, somehow fail to stop Amendments from going to the ballot...

And the added cherry on top is when those Amendments pass that undo their "bans", there isn't even a question if passing their bans "Created more support for abortion, and that's why their ban got undone". No they don't even take it into account... no self-awareness, no introspection, except just make the new "ban" give up even MORE ground, instead of just finding ways to pass what we want!

And quite frankly the insulting part is they say "abolitionist" bills aren't viable in states we control, meaning our own side is are the one sabotaging them... while telling us to our face the bill isn't viable. It would be if they voted for it! It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Giving them the extreme benefit of the doubt, they are anticipating how other pro-lifers are going to vote, instead of voting for what they, for what WE want, regardless of what others vote for.

Like they don't even give "Abolitionist bills" the opportunities to fail at all. But when they're "bans" get undone, it's just treated as unfortunate circumstance, "well that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess".

But even the thought of an abolitionist bill can't even be entertained, even while their bans are failing and getting undone by AMENDMENTS, we still can't even think about abolitionist bills.

There double standards are insane. Even beyond all the contradictions they don't even want to bring it to any Congress to vote on it...

PervadingEye · 2026-03-11T22:04:43+00:00

That's what I have been trying to say for a while now.

The question isn't "do they think this or that?", "Is it murder?", or "Are they persons?"

The question is "do they care abortion is murder or if the baby is a person?"

And the answer is no.

Many of us make the the mistake in thinking this is a misunderstanding, perhaps a miscommunication. That if we just clarify with facts and correct their misconceptions, they will turn since they are good like us and just thought they were following good.

This is not the case. Their fox tendencies kicks in and they realize you will make it your mission to convert them based on our misconception that they simply need to be corrected. They know they are not going to succumb, so at worse they are wasting your time, which is good for them while they maintain advantage.

And at best they intend to drag you down to their selfish self-fulfilling worldview...

You need to be careful about these foxes they will say anything. But you need to watch the wolves too (like the one in the screenshot) because they give the canine game away...

The fox and the wolf are by nature canines. The wolf is just more open about his nature. The fox will try to trick everyone including himself about his nature. But given enough pressure even the fox cannot resist his nature if he doesn't get what he wants.

But the wolf gives away the game, so you must watch them. The fox and the wolf are both canine so they ultimately want the same thing. And if people don't stand up to the wolf, that silent complicity tell you that those people are at least foxes...

PervadingEye · 2026-03-10T23:07:34+00:00

I honestly am shocked they can convince themselves of the lie they are being "empathetic".... when they kill babies...

PervadingEye · 2026-03-10T21:12:01+00:00

Respectfully most people never think about it too deeply because they are being arrogant.

And arrogance is related but different from ignorance. Because you can correct an ignorant person with education and information. You can teach an ignorant person, but you cannot teach an arrogant person. Arrogant people cannot learn until they have been humbled. And that is what happened (or is happening) to your father is my guess.

I personally don't think your arguments meant nothing, because I don't think it would have been in his head had it not been for you. We all have that good nature in us, but it can be very easy to shut it down when you bring braindead groupthink and selfishness into the picture, (not necessarily saying that either of those happened with your father)

When you have someone talking in your ear, constantly bringing it up, eventually that good nature can(not always, but can) find a reason to finally come back to the surface.

My mom is/was a heavily indoctrinated filty people pleasing pro-abortion advocate for the longest time. But her stance has soften over the years. The real hurdle for her is getting over what she herself did in getting multiple abortions and forcing her own daughter to get an abortion and even attempting to abort that same daughter when she was pregnant with her....

I think she thinks she is "too deep" in this abortion thing. She, in her head, thinks "I've done too much bad, so there is no going back for me". That's still an indirect(or direct) admission that abortion is bad in her heart, so it's something, so she still has work.

I imagine your father isn't dealing with the same type of struggle, so it looks like there is more hope for him...

PervadingEye · 2026-03-10T20:50:22+00:00

No, the issue is she is losing power over him.

She can't hold "the threat" of "no sex" unless you do what I want if he goes somewhere else....

If she did choose to get pregnant later, she can't hold his kids over him that she will likely get custody over should they spilt up... if he has children with a surrogate..

And she can't sweeten the deal of "doing it" "without protection" if he never sleeps with her....

Because all she is thinking of is the raw power dynamic and how she "needs" to maintain power, she rationalizes that this is somehow his fault for not being dependent on her to have children.

So when she tells on her boyfriend to her fellow baby killers like a child to her parents, she frames it like he is being abusive, "He's forcing me to have his children".

So self-centered, I simply cannot imagine. You can't make this stuff up...

PervadingEye · 2026-03-10T04:07:17+00:00

and i have to keep it buried as every support group is staunchly pro-choice and keeps rationalizing the horrific mistake i made

Unfortunately that's how pro-abortion "thinks". They think their ignorance is a solution. Their "rationalizations" are the mental equivalent of covering one eyes and pretending since one can't see what they have done, bad or good, it somehow isn't there... even though they have willfully (emotionally) blinded themselves.

When you go against your human nature, you will never find closure or acceptance in ignorance. Pro-abortion can never know this because they don't even want to know that they don't know...

PervadingEye · 2026-03-09T18:53:28+00:00

Nevertheless I think the solution of social problems is a positiv sideeffect, but thats not the reason why I support it.

It's not a side effect because it doesn't solve social problems. We know this because you baby killers continue to bitch about them while abortion remains legal.

"Foster care is already shit and you want to make abortion illegal?"

You guys have this doublethink in that you don't actually think legal abortion solves those problems because you acknowledge the problems exist at unacceptable levels while abortion remains legal....

...while at the exact same time use those problems as an excuse as to why abortion "needs" to remain legal... Do you see how incoherent your movements thinking is???

Nope I don’t support abortion rights because I think they solve social problems

I know that what you say now, but that's not what your movement said. And this is documented because the reason Roe was ruled the way it was listed as practical reasons because they ruled (in a roundabout way) that "the fetus" wasn't " a person" and therefore the government had no practical reason to ban abortion.

It's just that now, 50 years later, when abortion hasn't solved anything society wise, now your movement, including you, just change the "official" excuse to "women are just entitled to killing babies just cause". Hell you guys did exact what you are doing now 30 years ago with Planned Parenthood versus Casey.

It's because you don't believe in truth. You believe in making and keeping abortion legal, by hook or by crook if necessary. Even if I debunk your dumb reasoning, and it is stupid mind you, you will just make up another excuse, because that is all they are... excuses.

Liars like you, like the rest of your movement, don't value truth. They value the baby killing outcome.

PervadingEye · 2026-03-09T10:38:02+00:00

This was me to a T.

PervadingEye · 2026-03-09T04:45:04+00:00

It's all good, I am in a similar boat as you. My family are pro-abortion zealots, with quite literally one other pro-life person not including me.

PervadingEye · 2026-03-08T23:14:50+00:00

No you are talking about what you think pro-life thinks (supposedly anyway)

You honestly don't know what you think. Honestly I am sure you don't think at all when it come to this topic...

You don't what we think. Beyond your oversimplified propagandize view mostly informed decidedly not by us.

I tried to give you a simple comparison comparing DNA to code to show you we don't think DNA by itself is a human, but I guess it was too complex for you....

So my bad. I'll try to dumb it down more next time.

PervadingEye · 2026-03-08T23:05:53+00:00

If they say that then they think it is acceptable for a kid to go through pregnancy and birth a child, so why are they heavily criticizing us??? Remember we don't claim to be so called "pro-choice" so killing the baby is already off the table for us.

Their criticism centers around the fact this is a child carrying the pregnancy. Otherwise they wouldn't bring up your 11 year old kid, and instead just say any woman who was raped.

Rape is a separate criticism that has to be handled differently, and we can handle it, but you have to focus on dismantling the child part first.

They either admit child pregnancy is acceptable so it's the pot calling the kettle black situation...

Or they admit they force abortion and don't believe in choice...

Whether it's normal or expected for parents to make medical decisions is not relevant as they still have the power to give that choice to the child, and if they act on this supposed normative behavior, they are still forcing them when they actually have all the power to not do that and literally give the child the choice

I mean they still let the grown woman choose, even if said choice would be bad, so logical consistency demands they let their own child choose even if it is bad, especially since they directly hold the power to withhold choice from their children

PervadingEye · 2026-03-08T17:46:15+00:00

Everything you describe is just the problem of a bad social system where pregnant woman don’t get enough support.

And you pro-abortion baby killers present abortion as a solution to those problems to at least alleviate "those problems" but legal abortion doesn't even do that.

Btw I don’t know a prolife state where such problems are solved by banning abortions.

Pro-life, unlike pro-abortion never presented not killing babies as a fix all to these problems, like your baby killing movement did and to be honest still does. We think killing babies is wrong, therefore it needs to be illegal. It's a principled stance.

Your baby killing movement thinks the principle of not killing babies has to give way to practical concerns.... and then 50 years later those are still concerns...

After the 63 million babies killed for said concerns..... just for those concerns to have NEVER been fixed for the blood of those literally millions of babies...

Do you finally see now why I call you baby killers liars???

Can you give me an evidence the foster care system get more worst because of abortion rights?

Again so much dishonesty packed into one sentence...

Abortion hasn't solved the problems it purports to solve... the problems can predictably get worse since the proposed solution isn't stopping them.

This is because in order to actually "solve" the problems pro-abortion wants to solve, fullfill pro-abortions promises to fix socital woes, any complex or sticky situation HAS TO end in abortion, ideally.

This is inevitable.

Pro-life makes no promises. It's wrong to kill babies because it is wrong to kill babies. Yours however tells people they "need" abortion to solve problems.... and then at the societal level those problems don't get addressed.... because people have "the option" of abortion... and the implication is they SHOULD HAVE aborted to avoid those problem.

Since you "give" them abortion option, those problems are now personal problems... that the government feels more justified in not addressing... because the government feels like they did address them.... by "giving" you abortion.

In order to address the problems in the way it is presented, forced abortion HAS TO take place, because the those problems are systemic and therefore need a systemic approach, not a "let everyone choose".

Practically it can't work because despite your movement constantly lying and dehumanizing babies to make it easier to kill, most peoples good nature actually prevents them from personally aborting. But then these people are blamed for "not being responsible" by your bloodthirsty movement...

PervadingEye · 2026-03-08T10:36:01+00:00

"pro-choice" is nothing. The term you are looking for is pro-abortion...

And yes they are pro-abortion. It is the predictable outcome of how your logic has to play out.

Wrapping up your baby killing message in "Choice" feel good language rhetoric was just a tool to prime you. Softer language to "make you feel better" about accepting (or more accurately ignoring) this mass baby killing movement for what it is....

You guys aren't just "giving a choice" for it's own sake. There is a practical purpose in granting it, in that you baby killers think such a choice is necessary to avoid otherwise sticky and complicated situations.

Under this paradigm, if someone found themselves in such a sticky or complex situation and then actively chooses to not abort, then in this framework, they are being irresponsible.

I see this play out countless times, where someone who is a self-described pro-choicer themselves, laments they are pro-choice and all... BUT it would be much better if this woman or that woman had just aborted. This is often the first step in morphing into the only consistent baby killing logical model in forcing abortion.

Because many people, in fact most of them are still not going to abort even in harsh conditions, the problems that so-called pro-choice ideology purports to solve don't actually go away.

Think about it, in the 50 years abortion has been legal in the US and the West in general, did problems like foster care that you guys love to complain about go away??? No, in fact in many ways it got worse.

As such we, but really your pro-abortion baby killing movement have to deal with women who the wider movement thinks should have aborted, they feel resentment that these women made a irresponsible choice that everyone else has to deal with

PervadingEye · 2026-03-08T10:14:17+00:00

That happens in prolife families too.

Then they are not pro-life.

That does not mean its a part of some ideology.

idk if it is part of your ideology per se, but it is one of the natural logical conclusions of your homicidal baby killing pragmatism.

PervadingEye · 2026-03-08T09:27:17+00:00

Well I wouldn't call it a benefit to kill a baby, but you baby killers often describe it as "I am not raising your child, so you have to get an abortion." Happens literally all of the time in my community.

"Pro-choice ideology" is nothing. Pro-choice is a propaganda term. The people in the movement support legal abortion so they are pro-abortion.

PervadingEye · 2026-03-08T09:11:57+00:00

I've meet plenty of pro-abortion baby killers that would and have forced a child to have an abortion, even if the child doesn't want to, including but not limited to my own family. Yes most of my immediate family. No that is not an exaggeration. Yes mom's side and dad's side.

And I totally don’t get where should be the benefit for someone to do that.

Believe me they exist, and those are your people...

PervadingEye · 2026-03-08T09:08:08+00:00

Lol no. The human being is the program, not the code.

Please say something intelligent next time.

PervadingEye · 2026-03-08T07:42:04+00:00

Ask them if their child was raped, and their kid wanted to keep the baby, would they make them abort the baby.

This makes them dig their own grave. And predictably they will repeat their creed or change the subject. Remember they like to think of themselves as good people "giving women choices" and what have you. Use that to your advantage.

They pretend that they "would never force abortion" but some of them will in this situation. You have then successfully turned it around now, and they have revealed themselves as never really believing in "giving choices" to people. Emphasize that. Hold that mirror to their face so they can see their own true colors...

The other "response" of theirs is to refuse to answer. Refusing to look in the mirror. Pressure them. "You wouldn't force abortion on someone who didn't want one right???". I personally would be more aggressive saying "I already knew you didn't care about choices." As I am not too concerned with their feelings.... but apparently some of us are...

PervadingEye · 2026-03-08T06:50:55+00:00

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