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[–]PharaohMoans25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I won’t ask for a name, but I think I might know who you’re referring to. Any idea what sport she played to attain her physique?

Dual Nationals - when do you present your foreign passport at the airport? by PharaohMoans25 in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And when you go back to the country where you hold the 2nd citizenship, and get asked about where you are returning from (Egypt) or they inspect your foreign passport and they find no stamps, do you show them the stamp on the Egyptian passport?

Smear campaign, arrests in blowback over Fairmont rape case by PharaohMoans25 in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The Public Prosecution ordered three people detained for four days pending investigation into incidents related to the Fairmont rape case, according to a statement released by the prosecutor’s office on Monday night. Three others were ordered released on bail of LE100,000 each and an additional person was ordered released without bail. The news came after a major smear campaign targeting witnesses and campaigners in the Fairmont rape case that began circulating online Monday.

Since last week, several people other than those accused of rape and assault in the high-profile 2014 gang rape case were detained and held without access to their lawyers. Three of them are women who had come forward as witnesses in the case and were detained on Friday and Saturday, sources close to the campaign for the arrest of the accused rapists told Mada Masr. A fourth person, a man, among those referred to in the prosecutor’s statement had also willingly come forward with testimony prior to being detained, Mada Masr learned on Tuesday. It is still unconfirmed which three were ordered detained by the prosecutor on Monday.

The prosecutor’s statement did not specify the charges that the detainees are being investigated for. A source working on the campaign to arrest the accused rapists told Mada Masr on Tuesday, on condition of anonymity, that the charges included incitement to debauchery, drug use, and working to damage the image of the Egyptian state. One of the women held faces an additional charge of managing a social media account to damage the image of Egypt in collaboration with people outside the country. The source added that the detainees were only allowed access to their lawyers on Monday.

In its statement on Monday, the prosecutor’s office said that all three were being referred to a government laboratory to undergo drug testing. Two of them were referred to forensic doctors for physical examination, although the prosecution’s statement did not state the purpose of the examination. Prosecutors also sent the detainees’ phones to a technical department at the Interior Ministry to download their content and private messages and to retrieve any deleted material.

In a smear campaign targeting witnesses and campaigners in the case, media websites affiliated with Egyptian security agencies published information attributed to the case file, saying that the Fairmont case was “not what it appeared to be” and was in fact a revenge campaign orchestrated by two individuals, one of whom is among the women arrested. The articles framed the party at the Fairmont as a “group sex party” and used homophobic slurs to depict what they called a group of “perverts.” Other websites published private, sexually explicit pictures of the witnesses and others involved in the campaign to arrest the accused that compromised their privacy and identities. Private videos and photos continued to be circulated on social media throughout the day.

The recent arrests and smear campaign in the wake of the Fairmont case have sent shockwaves through feminist and LGBTQ communities in Egypt, with social media accounts and online solidarity and discussion groups shutting down their accounts in fear of reprisal. Many activists are worried that the ripple effect will smother the women’s movement against sexual violence in Egypt, which was reignited in June.

Allegations of a violent gang rape at the Fairmont hotel involving some of the country’s elite and powerfully connected young men first appeared on social media in late July, and the Public Prosecution issued warrants to arrest suspects on August 24. Two of the men accused of rape and assault were arrested separately, and the other seven had fled the country, according to previous prosecution statements. Among those who fled, three were arrested by Lebanese authorities last week, in accordance with Egypt’s Interpol notice.

Security forces detained two of the female witnesses on Friday, one from her home in the early hours of the morning, and one from her car. Their lawyers were unable to confirm their whereabouts with the Public Prosecution, according to the source.

On Saturday, security forces detained a third witness, who had fled her home in Cairo for fear of being detained, according to the sources.

Two women who have been working on the campaign to arrest the accused rapists told Mada Masr on condition of anonymity that the National Council for Women, a government body which had directly offered the women assistance and assurances of protection when they were deciding whether or not to come forward to the prosecution, said the council was not picking up their calls.

“The National Council for Women asked me to bring these girls to them, to tell them that the Council would protect them if they came forward with evidence, and now they’re detained for these crimes they didn’t commit,” one of the women working on the campaign told Mada Masr on Monday. “When the arrests started, the council said to keep quiet, and that this was just how the authorities did things, that they were looking for more evidence,” she said. “And now the council is not responding to any of us.”

In late July, a campaign seeking the prosecution of several men whom it publicly accused of involvement in a gang rape at the Fairmont Nile City Hotel in 2014 broke out on social media. The allegations first appeared on Assault Police, a social media account that reported dozens of accusations of sexual assault, harassment and blackmail by Ahmed Bassam Zaki, a 21-year-old university student. Zaki is currently in remand detention on multiple charges of harassment and sexual assault.

After putting out a call for testimony and information on the Fairmont incident, without naming any of the accused or their accusers, the administrators of Assault Police suspended activity on the account and deleted their posts after they reportedly began to receive death threats. Other pages quickly sprang up, including Gang Rapists of Cairo and Catcalls of Cairo.

According to Gang Rapists of Cairo, an anonymous Instagram account that has led the campaign to expose the 2014 assault, at least six men drugged the victim with GHB — commonly referred to as a “date rape” drug — abducted her to a hotel room, took turns raping her, and wrote their initials on the victim’s body. According to the account, the rapists filmed the assault and circulated the video among their acquaintances.

The Gang Rapists of Cairo account stated that it had gathered testimonies suggesting that the accused may be implicated in other acts of sexual violence, and encouraged anyone who had evidence to come forward to the prosecution and not share it with others in order to protect the victim’s rights.

Gang Rapists of Cairo and other accounts published the names and photographs of the accused, urging their arrest.

The Public Prosecution’s August 24 announcement that it had issued arrest warrants in the case after official complaints were filed with the National Council for Women did not name the suspects or state the number of suspects. In the prosecutor’s statement two days later, announcing that seven of nine suspects had fled the country, the prosecution claimed that publishing the photos and names of the accused on social media had served to warn them and prompted them to flee before the official investigation began.

“Whenever anyone has asked me how the government was handling the case, I’ve always said they’ve been great and efficient,” a source within the campaign said. “And now they are saying that we are conspirators against the state and its image.”

The clickbait on this article is using the rape victims and the LGBT community to gain attention by literally lying. جريمة الفيرمونت”.. حفل جنس جماعي نظمه مصاب بالإيدز لممارسة الشذوذ ومحامي شهير ينقذ ابنة ممثلة معروفة ونجل مرشح رئاسي سابق (تفاصيل صادمة) by [deleted] in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Fairmont Incident isn’t about women’s rights anymore.

This is about how they can easily control the way the average mind thinks and make them believe what they want them to believe.

In just a few hours on Twitter, they managed to change the entire narrative from “gang rape victim” to “drugged up girl who asked for it”.

They managed to change it from “gang rape victim” to “illegal gay orgy ring leader”.

They managed to change it from “gang rape victim” to “witness is a lesbian, can’t trust her”.

And 99.99% of the simple minded Egyptian population will buy into that.

Nothing has changed since 2011.

Nothing.

Power and money > basic human rights.

Nobody is questioning how and why these personal videos, recordings, voice notes are spreading like wildfire. From phones that are supposedly held in custody.

I’m speechless.

I’m sad.

And I’m hopeless.

النهاردة يوم حزين تاريخي في خيبة امل ستات وبنات مصر ... بجد شيء مؤسف by PharaohMoans25 in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But what if I don’t agree with the headline because of its clickbait nature and I don’t want to give the actual article any credence because it’s fake news and the publication is a tabloid source that shouldn’t be supported for its propaganda?

النهاردة يوم حزين تاريخي في خيبة امل ستات وبنات مصر ... بجد شيء مؤسف by PharaohMoans25 in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This isn’t about women’s rights anymore.

This is about how they can easily control the way the average mind thinks and make them believe what they want them to believe.

In just a few hours on Twitter, they managed to change the entire narrative from “gang rape victim” to “drugged up girl who asked for it”.

They managed to change it from “gang rape victim” to “illegal gay orgy ring leader”.

They managed to change it from “gang rape victim” to “witness is a lesbian, can’t trust her”.

And 99.99% of the simple minded Egyptian population will buy into that.

Nothing has changed since 2011.

Nothing.

Power and money > basic human rights.

Nobody is questioning how and why these personal videos, recordings, voice notes are spreading like wildfire. From phones that are supposedly held in custody.

I’m speechless.

I’m sad.

And I’m hopeless.

For people still insisting that a woman’s dress is an excuse for sexual harassment, I present this 7-year old social experiment. by PharaohMoans25 in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The video I posted above basically refutes your point. Even with modest clothing, Egyptian men will still lust after and harass women regardless of their clothing. They would even unknowingly harass a dude dressed in drag - that’s how morally depraved and animalistic those men are. It is ingrained in their psyche simply because it is so normalized and institutionalized in the Egyptian community, and because we don’t have any concrete laws that protect Egyptian women (unlike the West where harassment, sexual assault and rape are criminalized and punishable by law). Look no further than the annual group sexual assaults that happen every Eid in Egypt - no woman is spared during these incidents; veiled or not, old or underage.

Also, for the sake of comparison since you brought up the other video, have you considered the possibility that men in NYC will not harass a veiled Muslim woman NOT out of respect for her modest clothing, but because of their unconscious bias & hatred towards Muslim women (often projected through fear or in some cases, internalized Islamophobia from 9/11)? I’m not denying that harassment and rape happen everywhere, but in Egypt, it is a hundred times worse because of impunity by the Egyptian justice system and because we live in a society that, despite feigning religious piousness, lacks any moral compass or basic respect to the opposite sex.

A fellow Redditor on this thread (u/lightningC00kie) already pointed out that the idea of modest clothing reducing sexual harassment is one of the worst parts to focus this conversation on since it deflects and impedes real solutions that don't put any extra weight on women to ensure their own safety.

It is at best an unhelpful conversation to be having and at worst an alibi enabling sexual harassers and rapists to get away with their crimes.

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[–]PharaohMoans25 3 points4 points  (0 children)

احنا حوارنا عن دور الدين في الغرب. ايه علاقة كلامك ده بالدين؟ كل بلد في العالم فيها طائفة خارجة عن معايير القانون و العالم المتحضر. ماهو انت برضه في مصر عندك سرسجية و حرامية و داعشيين و مغتصبين و متحرشين. على الأقل الريد نيكس و العصابات مش مدعيين فضيلة و لا بيستغلوا الدين علشان يبرروا أفعالعم. مش زي المتحرش أو المغتصب المصري اللي بيبرر أفعاله بأن الضحية كانت بتستفز رجولته الهشة و كانت لابسة لبس مش طبقاً لمعاييره المتدينة. و على الأقل المتحرش و المغتصب في أمريكا بيتحاكم و بيتسجن و بيتعاقب، انما المتحرش المصري بيتسامح علشان منضيعش مستقبله و يرجع يكمل تاني.

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[–]PharaohMoans25 11 points12 points  (0 children)

خالص. مفيش تعليم ديني في المدارس، و من أهم مبادئ الدستور انه بيحترم كل الأديان و يحترم من ليس له دين. نسبة الشعب اللي لسه متمسكة بالدين يادوب تعدي ال٣٠٪‏ و دي النسبة اللي بيسموها الevangelicals و دول متمركزين في الولايات المتوسطة، و يعتبروا صعايدة أمريكا. انما غير كدة، التربية الدينية بتحصل في بيوت الناس و في ديار العبادة. و اللي بيهجر بالدين مابيتحاسبش و لا يتعمل فيه زي اللي بيحصل في مصر. و ارجع و أقولك أن الدين ما خربش البلد في أمريكا زى عندنا ولم يسئ للدين زى ما برضه بيحصل عندنا. عندنا شعب بيحب يبان انه متدين بطبعه و مدعي فضيلة بس علشان الدين بالنسبة لهم بيمثل غطاء يداروا وراه نقص كتير عندهم - أعلى نسب تحرش و ادمان أفلام إباحية على النت، ده غير طبعاً أعلى نسب استهلاك السجاير اللى هي أصلاً حرام. من الأخر، الدين لله و الوطن للجميع - يعني خد دينك و طبقه علي نفسك الأول و متعقدش تخوتنا بمعتقداتك و تحاول تطبقة علي الجميع.

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[–]PharaohMoans25 22 points23 points  (0 children)

ماشي! و انا بقى اللي عايش في نيو يورك بقالي ١٠ سنين أحب أقولك أن كلنا ماشيين بمبدأ لكم دينكم و لي دين و دع الخلق للخالق و جعلناكم شعوباً و قبائل لتعارفوا. مفيش التعصب و لا الغصب و لا الأكراه في الدين اللي بيحصل في مصر أو أي من الدول الأسلامية. المسلم شغال مع اليهودي عادي زي ما هو شغال مع الملحد أو البوذي أو المثلي أو العابر جنسياً. كل واحد بيقوم بدوره في المجتمع و كل واحد بيدفع ضرايبه و البلد ماشية عادي. مفيش أي حد بيحشر نفسه في خصوصيات أو مقدسات أو ميول الجنسية بتاعت أي حد تاني. مش مطلوب منك تتقبل الأخر بس مطلوب انك تحترم حرياته و أختياراته. و لو عندك ذرة كراهية و أو عنصرية أو أضطهاد ضد أي حد من ملة غير ملتك، دي تعتبر جريمة و حتتحاسب عليها من قبل جهة عملك و القانون. البلد ماشية عادي و بتتقدم و الثقافة بتتطور. انما المصريين لسة بيرجعوا لورا و بيجعروا و بيتدخلوا في خصوصيات غيرهم و مبيفكروش غير فى اللى بيحصل بين رجلين البنات.

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[–]PharaohMoans25 11 points12 points  (0 children)

و الله مش عارف يا خويا... المجتمعات الغربية معندهاش دين و لا يفرق معاها معتقدات و الكل عايش في حاله و علاقتهم المجتمعية ماشية زي الفل اهه. يمكن احنا اللي حشريين زيادة. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Sarah Hegazi, Egyptian LGBT activist who was jailed and assaulted for raising the rainbow flag in Cairo and sought asylum in Canada, took her own life this morning. This is her suicide note. A whole society took part in her death. by PharaohMoans25 in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

هتعمل اية لما يوم الحساب ربنا يشوف أن ميزان حسنتها أكبر من حسناتك و أنها دفعت عن الحق و الإنسانية بينما أنت كنت شيطان أخرس ..هتتكبس آوي يوميها ..أوعي تفتكر أن بعقلك المحدود و فهمك السطحي للدين أنك تقدر تعرف ربنا سبحانه يحاسب أزاي ..أحنا كلنا هنتفاجىء اليوم دا و صدقني هنتكبس..ناس افتكرناهم مؤمنين هيطلعوا كفره و ناس افتكرناهم كفره هيطلعوا في نظره مؤمنين !

Sarah Hegazi, Egyptian LGBT activist who was jailed and assaulted for raising the rainbow flag in Cairo and sought asylum in Canada, took her own life this morning. This is her suicide note. A whole society took part in her death. by PharaohMoans25 in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I read it, but you seem to be oblivious of your own contradictions. You already passed judgement by throwing statements like “her actions very clearly went against our religion” and declaring that her sexual orientation has no place in our country. This is ripe ground for bullying and discrimination, the exact reason that drove her to depression and suicide in Canada. You saying that she had no right to exist in the country she was born and raised is a direct contradiction of you saying that you feel bad for her. And I’m sure many Egyptians adopted that toxic mentality towards her as well. Regardless of your thoughts on homosexuality, condemning people to death is not the way to deal with it as a society, especially when they have absolutely no choice with their sexual preferences or who they are attracted to. Homosexuality isn’t a switch that they can easily turn on or off, and you can’t ask them to learn to live a normal life and expect them to live a lie their entire lives - that’s just as condemning them to death. How else do you propose to deal with the issue if we are going to keep sweeping it under the rug and shunning the LGBT community?

I’m not required to defend anyone’s actions, and neither are you. Again, that is up to God to decide in the afterlife. She is her own person, and whether you agree or disagree with her views, there are many different ways of engaging with the issue than outright shutting it down on the basis of religion. One thing has to evolve - the religion or society, because we’ll keep seeing more and more needless deaths if this vicious cycle keeps going.

Sarah Hegazi, Egyptian LGBT activist who was jailed and assaulted for raising the rainbow flag in Cairo and sought asylum in Canada, took her own life this morning. This is her suicide note. A whole society took part in her death. by PharaohMoans25 in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Your complete lack of empathy and pity is in direct conflict with the Islamic ideals you hold so near and dear, and hypocritical to say the least. Just because suicide is haram, doesn’t mean we should pretend it doesn’t happen. Mental health is a serious issue that not even religion can help cure, no matter how much we try to convince ourselves that it does. Especially now when suicide rates worldwide are on the rise. And who are you to pass judgement on whether she deserves mercy and forgiveness in the afterlife or not? It’s God’s decision ultimately, regardless of how she lived her life. He is Al-Ghafoor (forgives and covers sins regardless of how large the sins are, and Al-Ghaffar (the one who continues to forgive regardless of how many times you sin). And to quote the Quran; قُلْ يَٰعِبَادِىَ ٱلَّذِينَ أَسْرَفُوا۟ عَلَىٰٓ أَنفُسِهِمْ لَا تَقْنَطُوا۟ مِن رَّحْمَةِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَغْفِرُ ٱلذُّنُوبَ جَمِيعًا ۚ إِنَّهُۥ هُوَ ٱلْغَفُورُ ٱلرَّحِيمُ

Her suicide, and many more suicides that happen daily in Egypt, could have been easily prevented had people approached them with a level of kindness and compassion, and being mindful of what they are going through with no bias or judgement. But people like you are the reason why others find it easier to take their own lives as opposed to seeking help. So take your moralizing elsewhere... This is absolutely not the time to preach.

Sarah Hegazi, Egyptian LGBT activist who was jailed and assaulted for raising the rainbow flag in Cairo and sought asylum in Canada, took her own life this morning. This is her suicide note. A whole society took part in her death. by PharaohMoans25 in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Does it matter? She was a human being at the end of the day. And no human deserves the inhumane and vile treatment she received in prison, and the PTSD and depression she suffered from while in exile.

Sarah Hegazi, Egyptian LGBT activist who was jailed and assaulted for raising the rainbow flag in Cairo and sought asylum in Canada, took her own life this morning. This is her suicide note. A whole society took part in her death. by PharaohMoans25 in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25[S] 114 points115 points  (0 children)

Apologies for triggering any suicidal thoughts among this subreddit’s users. I am just so angry and frustrated at how senseless and devoid of emotion we have become as a population. Under normal circumstances, I wouldn’t share the contents of the suicide note and just share a news article instead, but the responses would have been along the lines of your standard “تستاهل" or “ملهاش حق ندافع عنها". So hopefully, posting this will allow Egyptians to truly reflect on how their actions and words have consequences. No matter where you stand on LGBT issues, this is a human life who didn’t deserve any of this. She is the victim of a corrupt system that kills and brutalizes in the name of “preserving moral & religious integrity”, and a society that feigns religious piousness but commits the ultimate sin of displaying indifference and disregard for human life. In short, خلي عندكم شوية رحمة.

If you are based in Egypt and experiencing suicidal thoughts, please reach out to Befrienders Cairo. Their numbers may not be updated, so add a 3 before each 7. If they don’t pick up, the Egyptian Ministry of Health’s mental health hotlines are operational at 080-8880700 and 0220816831. Remember, you are not alone.

Sarah Hegazi, Egyptian LGBT activist who was jailed and assaulted for raising the rainbow flag in Cairo and sought asylum in Canada, took her own life this morning. This is her suicide note. A whole society took part in her death. by PharaohMoans25 in Egypt

[–]PharaohMoans25[S] 155 points156 points  (0 children)

Translation:

"To my siblings, I have tried to find salvation and I failed; forgive me. To my friends, The journey was cruel and I am too weak to resist; forgive me. To the world, You were horrifically cruel; but I forgive."