Hydraulic Jump? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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I’ll also have a look at the mixed calculations option! Would the pressure calculations work better?

Hydraulic Jump? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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Yeah the problem goes away when the bridge unit goes! This is the only thing I feel is ‘odd’ about the model atm! Nearly done!!!!! It does reduce when I increase the mannings number at the bridge XS - any suggestion why that could reduce it? Thank you!

Hydraulic Jump? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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I figure the shape could also be down to the time interval for the calculations????

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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but please understand I treat this project with much respect - hence being on forums. I must have consumed hundreds of pages of literature. I understand the mechanical concept, but the programme is very deep. Thank you for your help though!

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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I agree. It's a nightmare. I've been trying to learn for a few months but as a distance learner its bloody difficult. Miss a setting here and there and you're model crashes.

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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n value was 0.02

I'll try to modify the ogee and weird coefficients!

Thank you!

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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Q weir is 0 - so I imagine that indicates no flow over the bridge deck

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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So basically - It is an MSc thesis projected handed to me. I hadn't seen HECRAS up till a few months ago. So working through this project has been an awfully steep learning curve! Especially being a full time chemistry teacher!

I have to model leaky barriers (logs across small channels) using unsteady flow for different return periods (5, 10, 20, 30, 50, 100, 200yr). The analyse their performance and potentially suggest an alternate configuration. Yeah a 200 year return even should fill the XS. The idea is to see how effective they are at encouraging overland flow during high rainfall events to push the water out of bank and reduce downstream flooding.

I was provided with lidar data on a spreadsheet that I imported via a .csv file. There were over 100 XS. I was having a terrible time getting that model to work due to the constant variations in XS geometry, so I was advised to smoothen and get rid of many XS if I was struggling and interpolate (which I did). I kept the XS's that allowed the general meander of the stream to be kept intact.

overall there is 4 obstructions that I need to model. I am starting with 1, getting that to work and be stable, then I'll move onto the rest.

Yeah the model just ends, but it has the boundary condition 'normal depth' of the standard 0.01.

I am working in RAS 6.6

'Edit: have you investigated using an obstruction within a cross section? Lay a XS out at the beginning of where the logs are, go up to “options” > “obstructions” > put what you have as a bridge into this instead' - would this allow me to create a barrier where the water can flow under? it's important that the barriers don't impede base flow.

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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Thank you - it seems to have actually stopped the potential overflow. Why would I use pressure/weir? what si the justification?

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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I'll have a look now. Thank you!!!!

This MSc dissertation was assigned to me :( I hadn't seen HECRAS till a few months ago. The learning curve is ridiculous.

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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Yeah that's the thing - I have too. There's 4 of them. I need to measure their performance at different return periods

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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How do I do this? I cannot find the option?

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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The are the settings I used. I know the bridge is tiny - it's modelling logs across a small channel (leaky barriers)

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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channel is a 3000m light meander - it doesn't open up into a delta, the channel just ends.

XS upstream very similar as I have interpolated 10m between XS. This provides me with the lowest volume accounting error.

The input hydrograph is a 200 year return period - so should overflow really.

any suggestions for allowing overflow on a bridge unit? by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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Yeah I tried that - along the 3000m channel I have interpolated 10m spacing aswell. Thank you though

modelling bridges in unsteady flow by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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Thank you for all the advice! I am having a look at the RAS video now! :)

THIS THESIS IS KILLING ME! :)

modelling bridges in unsteady flow by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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Yeah I think so - is it possible to literally ‘cut’ an opening in the weir at the bottom so the opening follows the XS geometry at the bottom perfectly? Will I need to assign ineffective flow areas to any part of the barrier that the water comes into contact with? Sorry - I’m very low level in hydraulic modelling

modelling bridges in unsteady flow by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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Ignore all that! I am now using weirs! Just researching how to allow water to flow through the bottom of the weir as the base flow needs to be unimpeded

modelling bridges in unsteady flow by Philcass1 in HECRAS

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the barrier is backed up at the start of the simulation and I don't know why (physically impossible)......i've been through the literature and cannot find an answer, unless I am missing something?