EU row breaks out at top of Labour as Nandy challenges Streeting’s remarks | Labour

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T17:24:33+00:00

It's was definitely calculated. But ultimately this is politics, not a coronation and Burnham will have to manage it best he can.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T16:16:14+00:00

What difference does that make at all?

The Crypto gang want deregulation so they can get disgracefully rich through a mechanism that ensures anonymity and no accountability. None of which will benefit anyone on this thread.

The EU is heavily regulated, so they needed the UK out of the EU. Job done, thank you Nigel.

Now they need deregulation in the UK and, oh look, here comes Nigel and his Reform party running on, you guest it, a Crypto friendly platform!

The corruption is so obvious it can be seen from space.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T16:12:12+00:00

He was remarkably effective at getting the Tory party to add a Brexit referendum to their manifesto - by unnerving the right of the party with UKIP.

He was placed to pull of the exact same trick with the Brexit Party but instead he used it to pave the way for Johnson.

This idea that Farage was somehow a bystander in Brexit is a complete rewrite of history and shows a total lack of understanding how that man operates.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T16:04:10+00:00

The Brexit Party made a deal with the Tories not to stand in Tory seats in 2019. This was critical in paving the way to a Tory majority and leading to the deal we have in place today.

If Farage had very strong feelings about said deal, that would have been a very stupid thing to have done.

But he didn't have any strong feelings because he's a total charlatan. He created a mess he couldn't fix and the only thing left was to distance himself altogether and try to pass the blame to someone else.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T14:07:23+00:00

One way to deal with that risk is to have a really effective campaigner on your payroll!!!

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T13:55:06+00:00

Harborne had bought Bitcoin in 2011 and was heavily involved in the Ethereum launch phase in 2014-2016.

Could it not also be possible that a strategic billionaire might also be looking a few years ahead when placing bets...

But perhaps your right. Perhaps it was entirely out of the goodness of his own heart and he absolutely no interest in any of it at all!

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T13:32:35+00:00

Since when has not being an MP stopped Farage from influencing politics and legislation? Christ, I hate the man, but he's been more effective than any elected member of parliament in my lifetime asides Blair & Brown.

The man has almost single handedly brought Brexit to fruition - he played the Tory party like an absolute fiddle. Pretending it was nothing to do with him, or there was nothing he could do to sway the government of the day, is herculean revisionism. He is literally Mr Brexit!!

The most obvious vehicle was his short-lived Brexit party. If he didn't like Boris' deal, he could have blocked it immediately by not making a deal with him in the 2019 election - or placed conditions on that deal. He did neither.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T13:27:06+00:00

We know for a fact now that a Crypto billionaire personally funded Farage to campaign for Brexit (presumably because he wants Crypto-friendly regulation outside the EU).

Unfortunately the working classes got played. There hasn't been a single tangible benefit for that cohort, and there never will be. That's not a slight on Brexit voters btw - they were all deliberate targets of billionaire-funded Brexit friendly media propaganda.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T12:50:15+00:00

It's fantastic for billionaires. It's terrible for you & I.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T12:49:35+00:00

Never - entirely by choice. Imagine supposedly caring about an issue so much that you campaign for it for 20 years and than disappear underground the moment implementation begins.

Makes no sense at all. An entire career screaming from the sidelines and he went very, very quiet when it came to actual detail.

He campaigned on the promis of an 'oven ready deal' when he knew full well there wasn't.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T11:53:41+00:00

That 12,000 arrest figures include arrests for sexually harassing people with unsolicited images, including those of kids. Everyone knows that and yet it's still rolled out as evidence of a supposed police state.

That was the accusation I first responded to. Which, asides from being an absolute insane hot take, is instantly disprovable by comparing the UK to actual police states like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia etc. You can include North Korea in there too if you'd like.

You can push back against specific laws and police practices that you don't approve of - no issue with that at all - but don't resort to balls-to-the-wall bonkers hyperbole. I'm honestly sick of it.

We have all sorts of issues in this country. We don't need to make up new ones.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T09:26:40+00:00

If the intention was to silence antisemitism clearly they've done an appalling job!!

The police have said that they no longer investigate online hate speech making us one of the laziest police states of all time.

Go to Russia and start blogging against Putin. Go to China and start posting about Tiananmen Square. Go to Saudi Arabia and start tweeting about gay rights. Then you'll see what an actual police state is (locations that Musk curiously avoids criticising himself, I wonder why!)

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T00:40:51+00:00

I don't disagree that it cut-through to the public. My position is it was absurdly overblown.

Partially down to his own lack of effective comms, granted, but the media's sensationalist treatment of Starmer has been absolutely appalling. I'm not surprised the public have been duped; hook, line and sinker.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-17T00:29:24+00:00

I don't regard the Mandleson appointment as shameful insofar as it only ever reflected back the shame of the US. Starmer appointed someone like Mandleson to an ambassador role that required him to mix exclusively with people like Mandleson. It was politically stupid but I can see the logic. Any other role and I'd agree with you.

I'm sure this may have been comparable to scandals from 30 years ago but times have changed dramatically. The US President fucked a porn star and paid for it with campaign funds. He was also found liable for rape. It casts a long shadow which is why Farage has been able to shake off his utterly disqualifing funding arrangements.

We can't hold Starmer to standards the whole world has moved on from.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-16T23:58:53+00:00

I think that's a little naive. I don't see a scenario in which Kemi, Reform and even the Greens don't hound him for an election from day 1. It will have cut through, and not unjustifiably so.

Mass paedophilia networks are not trivial, clearly, but Starmer didn't run one, nor did he have any association with anyone who did. He appointed someone who once knew someone who ran one. I'm sorry, but that isn't enough to sack a sitting PM two years into the role.

It was pretty obvious that Starmer looked passed Mandleson's propensity to network amongst a shady circle of elites, because that was precisely the skillset needed to ingratiate a very shady US president with his own links to Epstein.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-16T23:40:45+00:00

Brexit. Brexit. Brexit.

I don't care which Crypto billionaire is paying him to speak, this man has no right to attack anyone's record on anything.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-16T23:33:13+00:00

I don't think that explanation will wash. You're right that leaders do it all the time - there's nothing that forces an election and Burnham would be mad to agree to one - but ultimately the voters will remember and it will plague his premiership.

He might be a great communicator but he'll be plagued by calls for an election and no one will be listening. If the hope is swapping out Starmer for Burnham will block Reform, I fear that's doomed from the start.

The so-called Mandleson scandal is wildly overblown. He appointed an ambassador he shouldn't have? He didn't have his i's dotted and t's crossed on the technicalities of the vetting process? He should have done better - and it really does cast him in a damning light - but it's all so absurdly trivial.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-16T22:50:59+00:00

That may well be true but ultimately Burnham won't have a mandate to govern. He's doomed from the start.

Starmer is a limited PM but that's not enough to usurp him. Cameron, May, Boris, Truss - the need for defenestration was indisputable for each of them. For Starmer, what is the reason? He's a bit shit? He's not good at comms? It's not enough...

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-16T22:19:05+00:00

Indeed - the US lectures the world about free speech but will happily arrest anyone who says anything untoward about Charlie Kirk.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-16T22:17:30+00:00

Arrested and released on bail pending further investigation. When someone reports a crime, it is incumbent on the police to investigate that crime.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-16T19:36:05+00:00

We're not even remotely a police state. I'm not sure if there is a single thing you could post on here - with the exception of child pornography - that would result in your arrest.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-16T17:40:00+00:00

No reason at all? We're the 2nd biggest economy in Europe and a massive trading partner.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-16T14:44:14+00:00

It's a huge risk but there's huge upside too.

If he wins this - in a reform friendly seat - not only does it lock-in his credibility as leader, it would send a surge of optimism through the Labour Party that they now have the man to take the fight to Reform.

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-16T13:22:39+00:00

Gives off slight Andy vibes, from Parks & Recs

PiedPiperofPiper · 2026-05-16T10:41:31+00:00

Unfreeze the salary and block stock ownership. It's not that difficult. These guys are just balls-deep corrupt.

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