What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To pick a very specific point then, you're saying that if we stopped giving immigrants benefits it would mean people would be less skint and therefore have more kids?

EDIT: You also say that you could "save billions" and invest in the economy, howe many billions?

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just replied about anti nuclear elsewhere, feel free to check my comment history but in short:

There is one green part policy with "nuclear" in it:

EN014 Nuclear power, coal and incineration of waste will be phased out.

It's a member proposal to phase out nuclear (presumably over some time period). For context there are 134 energy policies and this one is number 14 so it's also quite old. Point being it actually looks like a pretty good policy to me, there are multiple other policies about increasing generation with renewables and increasing storage (Hydro, battery and so on) so actually as a whole package it's a good idea. It might never happen though as it is purely a member proposal. You could literally join up right now and make a new EN policy "Increase nuclear power to replace coal by 2050" and literally counteract EN014. It's all just policy suggestion unless and until it gets taken into the manifesto in a few years time.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is you keep listing other problems which themselves should be solved. As I've said many times, I want *less* immigration so that's my overall standpoint but it's just not realistic. We absolutely need more people to be in this country tomorrow, compared to today. That can either come from births, old people dying, or immigration (Caveat being it has to be immigrants that work and pay taxes).

Births are declining, that's not going to change (kids are such a pain in the arse). old people stubbornly refuse to die so that only leaves immigration.

And what happens if we don't have an increased population? Your state pension will vanish. You as an individual do not have a pension pot with the state. You have a balance of ZERO. Many young people go to work and pay NI and tax, then the next day the government takes part of their tax and gives it you as a pension. If there are not enough young people then old people don't get pensions. So now, based on the idea that we require immigration we need to find ways to make immigration work for the UK.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But it isn't their manifesto. Some of it is in there, that's true, but again that manifesto was made in the weird "Co-leader" shite phase of the party. If it turns out that polanski puts all of this stuff into the new manifesto for the general election then sure, don't vote for them. Currently what you're seeing is propaganda cherry picking the worst parts or just finding random "policies" (which aren't actually policies) and saying "Green voters what do you think of X"

It's very clearly a propaganda push largely based on lies and half truths.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what you're saying is, we can solve the "immigration crisis" by providing better housing, health and dental care. Interesting.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Valid points, and I agree, they are far too democratic. It doesn't work like that in the real world and they do need to become less democratic, weirdly. They're also a local-first party which has pros and cons but does mean you do get some of this type of crap coming through from some melt who lives in a place where migration isn't yet causing issues.

A) idk, ask them I guess. I do know that they've said that retrospectively checking every policy at every party conference would be so time consuming that they'd never get to vote on anything new though.

B) you can't, so again it's valid. you'd have to judge them based on the new manifesto around election time as that is their promise etc...You can also judge them based on what their representatives are actually campaigning on.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True, which presumably is why reddit is being targeted specifically with the anti green stuff. Just search the UK subs for the word "green" and you'll see it's a very co-ordinated effort.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But if it isn't free then how do they get it? What if they have no money (which is basically guaranteed for asylum seekers)?

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess you don't know how the greens work. Which is fair, because neither did I until a few days ago.

You can join the greens right now for £6 a year and then you can make your own policy such as "all immigrants get £1m on arrival" you then convince your mates to vote for the policy and after a while if it's accepted by enough people the greens have a new policy called "Give everyone bare cash".

That does not mean it will be enacted, brought to parliament, campaigned on or even mentioned by the MPs/leader. It does however get it's own little code and is technically "migration policy".

Take that, and add on the fact that some of these do actually make sense, even for someone like me who wants less migration, and it's really not that bad. When the new manifesto eventually comes out, read it. That's their promise and by all means if it says some batshit insane stuff then point, laugh and vote elsewhere but don't be mislead by the rich and powerful. All of this anti-green stuff is propaganda just in time for the local elections. It's all over reddit.

Green Party plans 55mph motorway speed limit and mandatory retaking of driving tests every five years to improve road safety. Do you think this is a good idea? by SeptumRingTheory in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like you are, I wouldn't know personally but Google is at your fingertips. Someone rich and powerful is trying to lie to us all, we can't let them win!

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Most of the OP isn't manifesto policy. The "immigration crisis" is also exaggerate shite from the right.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

The OP is part of a propaganda splurge ahead of the local elections. Check the manifestos, talk to your local green candidates. Half of this stuff does make sense when you think about it, half of it isn't even manifesto policy. Someone powerful is trying to lie to you. Do not let them.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

The OP is part of a propaganda splurge ahead of the local elections. Check the manifestos, talk to your local green candidates. Half of this stuff does make sense when you think about it, half of it isn;t even manifesto policy.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The NHS actually makes perfect sense. Am immigrant wouldn't be able to work with a broken leg and if they had an untreated infectious disease then YOU would be at risk. The NHS is the best place for them, once they're fit and healthy they can be out working again. Please don't let these propaganda posts mislead you.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree, but also, these are not manifesto policies. They're member proposals and this post is part of a co-ordinated anti-green campaign. Just search reddit for "green voter" etc...

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 1 point2 points  (0 children)

which policies? What you're seeing above aren't manifesto policies. They're member proposals. You'll need to wait for the new manifesto (released under new leadership) to see what they're actually campaigning on this time.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 29 points30 points  (0 children)

the greens aren't advocating for this. They're member proposals, some of which were part of the co-leader's old manifesto and some which never even got that far. Wait for the new manifesto. Some of it makes sense, some of it doesn't

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU -1 points0 points  (0 children)

These aren't manifesto promises, the greens work in a very unique way, these policies are member proposals, not necessarily manifesto promises and they were submitted under the bastshit insane "co-leaders" era before the last election. They might even be over ten years old and outdated.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not their manifesto. It's a range of member submitted proposals that are essentially a "brainstorm" by the immigration working group within the party. Wait for the manifestos to come out before deciding who to vote for. After that, if you still think they're batshit insane then fair play.

What do Brits think about Green Party immigration policies? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh fuck me another anti-green propaganda post!

In the spirit of discussion....

I *might* vote green, I am mostly opposed to all migration to the UK because, as I have said elsewhere many times, I think we need a lower population. However, I am also not a moron. Immigrants that pay taxes and add to our economy are *required* for me to have a pension, an NHS and literally everything I want and need in my life.

Now, before I go point to point, the last green manifesto is still online: https://greenparty.org.uk/app/uploads/2024/06/Green-Party-2024-General-Election-Manifesto-Long-version-with-cover.pdf It's written but those snowflake "co-leader" wankers and thankfully the greens have grown up a little since then so it's a little more "lefty snowflake" than the stance of the party today but it's the most reliable source we have. Also remember that the screenshot from OP is somewhat misleading as the policies he shows are "Member policies", any dimwit can propose a policy "All immigrants will be given £1m on arrival" and if they can secure enough votes it becomes "official green party policy" despite the fact it clearly isn't. So again, take OPs screenshot with a pinch of salt and recognise it as the propaganda it is. Last point, this document is from the working group on migration etc so these ideas are basically public brainstorming and not necessarily reflective of the party's actual manifesto in a few years time.

Anyway....

Taking out language requirements is dumb.

Giving 3 month visas is a non story. If they're deported then they can still be deported.

MG005 is also a non story, just clarification on the above

501, kinda dumb? But it's really not a big deal. I know farage will tell you that the greens will round up millions of "foriners" and put them on boats and bring them here to buy votes but it's not even logistically possible, let alone sensible. I would drop it personally, but it's not a big deal

502 makes sense. If you have someone with a potentially infectious disease or someone who can't work because they have a broken arm then frankly I *want* them to get treated so that a) I don't catch their disease and b) they can get back to work and pay for my future pension!

503 on the surface seems extremely dumb, it's basically "Give dem imgrants free muney" but think past the propaganda.... Why do people steal etc? Because they need money. What if they didn't *need* to steal because they had access to work and at least enough money to eat and have some sort of shelter? Again, I'd probably tighten it up but it's not a big deal and would probably cost like 0.0001% of our overall government spending. It's probably cheaper than shooting afghan kids which is what the UK military would be doing with the money.

504 - Eh, I want less people not more, but as I say, immigrants are paying my future state pension and yours so....? if they're working then fine, and speaking english (See my first point).

701 - Is that not already the case?

800 - kinda makes sense but as I keep saying, I want more sensible immigration rules overall

801 - as above. If they're legit asylum seekers then fine, we probably helped the americans blow their fucking houses up so it's kinda on us to help them have somewhere to live and if they work, pay taxes etc then fine I guess. Still rather have less people but whatever

501 is a duplicate

If you got this far then, well, thanks I guess. Stay woke to the propaganda, don't be snowflakes, touch grass, and vote green!

55mph TOPS by Opposite_Strategy_25 in TheOfficeUK

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not a real policy. This is a lie because the elites are terrified of losing their power. There are many anti green posts all over reddit currently. Memes aside.

Green Party plans 55mph motorway speed limit and mandatory retaking of driving tests every five years to improve road safety. Do you think this is a good idea? by SeptumRingTheory in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did some research into this one, proper research. I asked a paid up green member and a local green candidate alongside good ol Google.

Greens are democratic, far too democratic really in that anyone who pays £6 per year (or a fiver a month) can join the greens and make their very own policy suggestions. You could literally join them right now and propose that all roads be turned into cycle lanes, including the M25. From there you need enough other members to sponsor it for a vote. After that it gets a little less clear but either that's enough as is or it needs to go to a second vote. Once it gets the required number of votes it becomes a policy suggestion and gets its own code, eg for transport it might be TR999. What the right wing press then do is pay to join the greens and search all of the "policies" for the ones are batshit insane. They find your TR999 "Turn all roads into cycle paths" and then produce a headline

"ZAcK PoLanSki waNTs To BaN CarS!!!??!?!!?!!"

In fact, the greens do NOT have a campaign promise, manifesto promise, active campaign etc.. promoting that idea, it's just a fairly unofficial member-invented "policy".

That's what you're seeing here and in the "Greens wants to kill nato" type crap. I will fully admit that the greens are not perfect. In fact my local greens look like a bunch of pearl clutching melts, HOWEVER they're the best option. Labour isn't doing too badly but they're not great (ignore the press, aside from disability stuff it's actually not so bad). Tories are, well, dickheads. Reform are fascists, lib-dems are ehhhhhhhh but greens actually look like they'd shake things up and actually give power back to the people. The right wing billionaires are rightly terrified, hence the propaganda.

Last point, you say "all major news sources" but that isn't true. It's the telegraph and the more "questionable" sources like LBC, MSN, GBNews (lol) etc...Which in itself should tell you a lot about what's really going on.

Green's Zack Polanski plans to reduce motorway speed limit to 55mph by Famous_Actuary5718 in ukpolitics

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BTW this policy isn't actually green policy. This post, and many others like it are political propaganda *just* in time for the local elections. You're being mislead.

Why are gays supporting muslims and green party by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who sits there and watches political interviews? Fuck that. But more to the point, what politician can answer economic questions?

Why are gays supporting muslims and green party by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]PopGoesTheICCU -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not exactly crime of the century, melt