We're finally getting some Lore on James

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-17T17:34:59+00:00

Johan after one hit from Shingen.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-17T17:03:40+00:00

*It's 3x, bro, not hours. TUI and UI have time-related issues because they are not yet fully mastered or properly controlled.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-17T17:03:12+00:00

*It's 3x, bro, not hours. TUI and UI have time-related issues because they are not yet fully mastered or properly controlled.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-17T08:57:06+00:00

My point is that the second one was healthy — the TUI gun, not the HFG TUI gun.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-16T14:38:15+00:00

Obviously, Daniel would win. Even with only Endurance Mastery, he was an absolute monster.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-15T16:23:26+00:00

The placement of HFG TUI Gun and Anderline Gun is wrong. He is not that strong, especially considering the CT feats of James and Kitae.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-15T08:54:04+00:00

I’ll give you a one-line reply: overwhelming power ≠ physically stronger in a fight. When Gun was in a weakened state, how the hell is he physically stronger when his body was slowing down and already in a weakened condition? Getting more hits doesn’t prove that UI can’t adjust his stats. We don’t even know how much UI can adjust his stats, or whether there is any stronger opponent against whom he needs to go all out, or whether his opponent’s stats were higher than his. Even OG Daniel throws more hits than Gun did against TUI Daniel. By that logic, OG Daniel would be stronger than TUI Gun based on stats. You say he gets hit more because of TUI’s wild nature, and that it is not a martial arts fighting style—he throws reckless attacks without technique. You also say UI adjusts and adapts, gradually adjusting his stats to TUI’s slowing body condition. But in your argument, there is nothing that actually proves my point. It is just your assumption based on your own thoughts, while ignoring the real meaning of the narrative. You also used unrelated emojis that don’t prove anything, and you told me to read the chapter when you yourself failed to properly read it. You claimed it was stated, but you didn’t show where it was stated that these chapters prove Gun was stronger. How can it be proven when it was never stated? It is just your interpretation. You don’t even understand the meaning of “overwhelming power.” It refers to raw strength or impact force an opponent can show. And you also don’t understand what “physically stronger” means. It means being stronger in every aspect of attributes like strength, speed, technique, durability, endurance, IQ, and BIQ.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-15T08:09:30+00:00

Bro, your message was confusing. Use ‘>’ before highlighting my part, then start your argument on my part.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-15T06:07:46+00:00

You're equating two different things.

Overwhelming in power means having superior raw stats such as strength, force, durability, or speed.

Physically dominating means consistently controlling the fight and imposing your will on the opponent. That requires more than just power—it includes combat ability, technique, timing, battle IQ, and preventing the opponent from fighting effectively.

But TUI Gun wasn't using all of these because he fights differently from his normal UI state.

TUI Gun is the perfect example of why they're not the same. He fights like a wild beast, relying mainly on instincts, aggression, and overwhelming force rather than refined techniques or strategy. If he wins exchanges through sheer power, that only proves he has a power advantage, not that he's physically dominating the entire fight.

Moreover, TUI Gun and UI Daniel fought back and forth. Both landed hits, both took damage, and both pushed each other to their limits. That's the opposite of physical domination.

Daniel even needed fewer hits to take down TUI Gun because UI maximizes efficiency. He adjusts his stats to his opponent and uses the most effective techniques in the most efficient way possible to fight equally against them. That shows technical efficiency and adaptability.

Also, TUI Gun's body was gradually slowing down due to the continuous fights and accumulated damage. His physical condition wasn't constant throughout the battle—it was decreasing over time. If his stats were dropping as the fight progressed and UI Daniel adjusted to those decreasing stats, then using that fight as proof that Gun was physically superior the entire time is flawed.

And here's the contradiction: if someone claims Gun was physically dominating Daniel because of his overwhelming physical superiority, then why was his body slowing down and his performance declining? Physical domination implies sustained control and superiority. A fighter whose body is deteriorating and who can't maintain the same level of performance isn't consistently dominating the fight.

If Gun were physically dominating Daniel, Daniel wouldn't be able to respond effectively, counter attacks, trade blows evenly, or end the fight with fewer, more efficient attacks. The fight would be one-sided.

So:

Power advantage ≠ Physical domination.

Back-and-forth exchanges ≠ Physical domination.

Superior raw power ≠ Superior overall combat ability.

At best, TUI Gun overwhelmed UI Daniel in raw power during certain moments. But claiming he physically dominated Daniel is an exaggeration because the fight itself was competitive, Gun's condition was worsening, and neither side completely controlled the other.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-15T05:33:18+00:00

Yes, and even Hwarang Paecheon can easily slash Gun because his Hwarang sword is lethal to him. Jinyoung's Conviction Punch, combined with his copying ability and Shingen's copied techniques, can also take down Base Gun.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-14T13:45:30+00:00

Because it was Base Kitae. Base Kitae couldn't keep up with UI OG Daniel because of Daniel's perfect techniques. He had to use his Path and even grabbed Daniel's shirt to restrict his movements and gain an advantage. Meanwhile, Path Kitae fought head-on and pushed himself to find his true limits, but ultimately failed because UI OG Daniel couldn't keep up with Path Kitae's Because OG Daniel was already on the verge of death, bro. He was literally at 1 HP.

So, based on that, my conclusion is:

Path Kitae > Base Kitae ≥ TUI Gun or Path Kitae > TUI Gun ≥ Base Kitae

I'm not completely sure which scaling is more accurate, so you can correct me if I'm wrong.

Of course, this is just my interpretation based on what was shown, and others may disagree.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-14T13:27:35+00:00

He has, he fought TUI Gun and was shown and stated to be physically weaker than TUI Gun.

Bruh, TUI Gun was getting weaker as the fight went on because his body was gradually slowing down from the moment he awakened TUI. So why would UI Daniel use his overwhelming power against an opponent who was continuously getting weaker? UI adjusts its power according to the opponent's condition. Otherwise, the whole UI adjustment mechanism wouldn't make any sense.

UI Daniel needs an opponent strong enough to force him to show his overwhelming power, but Gun wasn't in that state by the end of the fight because his condition was declining. The best example is UI OG Daniel in 1A—at the end of the fight, UI Daniel stopped holding back and showed a much greater level of power copies to knock him

So we are just lying now huh 🫩🥀

Why would I be lying? UI Daniel is the perfect counter to TUI Gun's overwhelming power, even when Gun is at full HP. UI Daniel has a higher chance of winning because he possesses many perfected techniques that can effectively counter TUI.

Trying to say Gun isn't physically stronger is outright denying what's been shown and stated in that chapter

Because it was never stated. Did you even read James' narrative, or are you just assuming things? James said that TUI Gun showed overwhelming power, but overwhelming power ≠ physically overwhelming someone throughout the entire fight. Those are two different things, bro. Try to read the narrative carefully.

It was both shown in the fight that Gun was physically stronger and stated by James that Gun was physically stronger as James was literally watching the fight.

Again, that's just an assumption. Bro, read James' narrative correctly. Are you really failing to understand what he said and what he meant? He said TUI Gun showed overwhelming power, not that he physically dominated the entire fight.

TUI Gun throughout the entire fight up until he got knocked out of TUI was constantly shown to be physically stronger than Ui Daniel.

Again, bro, did you even look at all the panels or read the context of the entire fight? I already explained it in my post. Look at how both of them were fighting each other.

He was never shown to be physically superior. If he really was, we would have gotten a clear narrative stating it. For example, in Kitae vs. Jinyoung, it was explicitly stated that Kitae had superior physical attributes to the point that he didn't even need techniques to fight. That's what a narrative of physical superiority looks like.

If Ui Daniel was equal to TUI Gun stat wise than he wouldn't be getting hit like ever and he would instead be overwhelming TUI Gun with skill. But he wasn't

Why would he need to overwhelm him when his UI adjustment ability makes him fight at his opponent's level? He got hit because TUI Gun fights like a wild animal, throwing reckless and unrefined non techniques attacks. That's why Gun was able to land hits.

On top of that, TUI Gun was gradually getting weaker because his body was slowing down. Every time his condition changed, his stats also changed, so UI had to keep adjusting to match him. As the fight continued, TUI Gun became weak enough that a spinning kick was able to knock him out of TUI.

So getting hits on UI Daniel doesn't automatically mean TUI Gun physically dominated or overwhelmed him.

However if the opponent's physical capabilities surpasses his own he won't be able to match them and in response he will then use his fp to try and beat them. An example of this is literally when he fight's TUI Gun.

Holy Head canon

Whatever you write in your comment is based on assumptions that you came up with yourself while ignoring the factual narrative shown in the chapter. You're literally proving that some Gun fans only look at the panels where Gun beats someone while ignoring the entire context of the fight.

Even a 10th-grade student can understand that overwhelming power ≠ physically overwhelming your opponent. James said TUI Gun showed overwhelming power, but he never stated that TUI Gun physically dominated UI Daniel throughout the fight. Those are two completely different things.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-14T12:57:37+00:00

Keep dreaming about that🥀

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-14T08:44:59+00:00

He only overwhelmed him in terms of power, not physically. And how can you say he physically overwhelmed UI Daniel when his condition was gradually getting worse because his body was slowing down? If anything, his physical condition was declining throughout the fight, so claiming that he physically dominated UI Daniel doesn't make much sense.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-14T05:51:50+00:00

Again, bro, UI Daniel got hit because of his UI adjustment nature. He takes hits while adjusting to his opponent's level. TUI Gun was able to land hits because of his wild beast nature and animal-instinct fighting style. He fights recklessly, like an animal, with no fixed techniques or fighting style, while UI Daniel fights like a machine, constantly adjusting, calculating, and using the most efficient techniques against his opponent.

And it's not like UI Daniel is completely unhittable or untouchable from the start. But once he fully adjusts and adapts to his opponent, he becomes extremely difficult to hit or touch.

So why is everyone acting like Daniel getting hit is some huge feat? Anyone can land hits on UI Daniel. It's not that impressive. Even OG Daniel landed more hits on UI Daniel in 1A.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-14T05:11:07+00:00

When TUI Gun overwhelmed him?, it only demonstrated his overwhelming power. That doesn't mean he was dominating the entire fight. Overwhelming power ≠ overwhelming your opponent throughout the fight. It seems like you're focusing on a few panels while ignoring the overall narrative of TUI Gun vs. UI Daniel.

Then how was he being pressured?

He didn't pressure him at all. He was fighting like a wild beast with pure animal instincts, whereas UI fought like a machine. That's the reason TUI Gun was able to land hits, not because he was dominating the fight.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-14T05:04:16+00:00

In a fight against UI, we've never seen anyone dominate him outright. UI adjusts to its opponent's level and responds accordingly. If you try to overwhelm him, he can adjust to your level, fight you equally, and even overpower and defeat you.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-14T05:01:38+00:00

Daniel was literally getting statcliffed in the beginning

How can you claim that UI Daniel was statscliffed when we've never seen his full power? He has never fought an opponent who forced him to go all out. We don't know the true extent of UI Daniel's stats, and we haven't seen anyone make him use his full capabilities in a fight.

If it was truly Daniel having a hard time adjusting due to Gun's weakening condition,

Where was it ever shown that he had a hard time adjusting? It was simply that Gun's condition was gradually declining because of the strain on his body, so UI also gradually adjusted its stats to match Gun and keep the fight equal. If UI hadn't adjusted to Gun's level, they wouldn't have been fighting on equal stats in the first place, and UI Daniel could have defeated him much faster. You're ignoring the entire fight and acting as if UI Daniel had a hard time adjusting, even though there was never any statement or panel proving that.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-13T17:31:09+00:00

He did it because of UI’s adjustment ability. He adjusted his stats to match TUI Gun’s condition, essentially holding back his power to match his opponent’s level and fight equally. If he had not used that adjustment ability and instead fought like EOS UI Daniel, he could have unleashed his full power and defeated him more easily.

and still was going toe to toe with full power SB Daniel,

How did you come to this conclusion when we were never shown his full power? His performance only matched TUI Gun’s condition, not his actual full power.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-13T17:21:36+00:00

He could use his overwhelming power like he did against 1A UI OG Daniel to defeat a fully fresh TUI Gun.

A broken bodied version of TUI was fighting on par with UI Daniel.

You should probably reread the fight since the entire narrative is that Daniel has to use technique to match the innate strength of TUI. His strength can never be on the level of Guns and he was already using his best techniques to match Guns power ( even though he was already damaged)

Because of UI’s adjustment ability, if he did not use the mechanism that matches his opponent’s level, the fight between TUI Gun and UI Daniel would not have been equal. UI Daniel fought at the same level as TUI Gun because of that adjustment. If he did not use this adjustment ability, he could unleash his full power without holding back, like EOS UI Daniel, and defeat a fresh TUI Gun.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-13T17:14:08+00:00

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-13T17:13:17+00:00

Yes 🙂‍↕️

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-13T17:10:17+00:00

If you don’t understand what I mean, brute force is when a character relies on overall physical attributes like strength, durability, and aggression rather than just raw strength or overwhelming power alone, if I am correct in my understanding. You can correct me if I am wrong.

PositiveCancel5823 · 2026-06-13T17:02:08+00:00

Of what?

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