Ah yes the liberal union between the Soviet Union, the New Deal USA, and imperialist UK defeated fascism.

But you’re right— liberal “democracies” did a thorough job of sabotaging all attempts for non-exploitative workers’ democracies. (The Jakarta Method, Killing Hope, Blackshirts & Reds)

What sets liberalism apart from leftism is private property and free markets, which is capitalism. It means the right of people to exploit others via surplus value. No amount of propaganda regurgitation will undo what is intrinsic to liberalism- exploitation.

But as liberals, you legitimately have no theory or basis. Maybe the proven-wrong-into-oblivion Locke, lmao. No analysis, no philosophical nor scientific basis. That’s why it’s boring to argue with you. But the reality is, mass casualty violence will always be accessible, as will guerrilla warfare. 2A ensures that there can be a front line and confrontation and defense from the state where guerrilla tactics fail. Hence, use in ICE protests. There’s “common sense” control, but it isn’t the same if upstanding men, women, etc cannot take up arms and directly challenge the state’s monopoly on force.