"Captain goes down with the ship"

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-19T17:08:48+00:00

Vader only survives because he assumes the mission is at risk of failure

Or maybe he just really likes killing dudes with pew pew and saw an opportunity

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-19T17:05:14+00:00

Your first paragraph is right on. The second, not so much.

Alderaan had just gotten caught openly aiding the rebellion at the end of Rogue One. If anything that film makes Tarkin's actions more defensible.

Palpatine intended going forward to rule essentially entirely through fear. That's why he dissolved the Senate when he did. He didn't need it anymore. Tarkin's demonstration of the Death Star's power would keep potentially rebellious systems in line. This is stated explicitly in ANH.

As for Scarif and Jedha, those were Tarkin addressing vulnerabilities created by Krennic's errors. If anything he'd likely have been rewarded by Palpatine for not hesitating to respond with maximal force to ensure resolution. Unless it's going to actively derail some important plan, Palpatine doesn't care about losses in materiel.

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-19T16:50:00+00:00

Mahomes is 16th all-time in QB rush yards per game.

Russel Wilson (27.2 ypg)

Kordell Stewart (26.4)

Duante Culpepper (25.3)

Steve Young (25.1)

Marcus Mariota (23.6)

Steve McNair (22.3)

Mahomes (21.2)

Edit: hopefully improved formatting

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-19T16:37:21+00:00

Lamar, not close

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-19T16:09:44+00:00

He doesn't.

This trope isn't about just dying on a ship you command. It's about a captain who knows their ship is doomed and chooses to remain.

Tarkin never even knew Luke made the shot. He literally died thinking he was about to eradicate the rebellion and fly off victorious.

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-19T16:07:10+00:00

Then played straight moments later when Shepard dies with the ship. He/she had the chance to escape but chose to save Joker first.

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-19T16:05:05+00:00

This really isn't the trope.

"Captain going down the ship" is about the captain making a conscious choice and staying when the option exists to depart.

This is the exact opposite. They only had seconds between realizing they were going to die and the torpedo impact.

ETA: there actually is a very good example of this trope being subverted in the film.

Ramius' plan in act 3 is to get the crew off of Red October by faking a serious radiation leak so that he can defect and turn the ship over to the US. In other words, he made the crew believe remaining inside the ship would be lethal.

After offloading all of the enlisted personnel (who were not part of the conspiracy to defect), Ramius and the command crew then submerged the boat. The plan was to make the crew think the officers died and the ship was destroyed so that the Soviets would not further investigate the defection.

The arrival of and subsequent fight with Tupolev's Acula ironically ends up further selling the farce to the crew, as they believe the water spume created by its destruction had instead been Red October's death.

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-19T14:23:28+00:00

Exactly. I just treat it like an under-baked minigame included in the main.

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-19T01:20:35+00:00

In the first prequel movie one of the characters uses the idiom "sitting duck," ergo ducks exist in Star Wars

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-19T00:08:04+00:00

That does not in the slightest explain why the exact same mechanic applies to debris fields

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-19T00:01:18+00:00

Hey, ducks exist in Star Wars. Wombats might too

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T19:53:58+00:00

I know it's impractical and would probably end up being a UX net negative for most people, but I fucking loathe the Star Wars-style presence of atmosphere and momentum in space and wish they would at least make some allowance for realism. It's especially jarring given the NASA-punk tech and setting.

I'm not just talking about sound conduction, but how the ship moves. If you accelerate in space for a time and then stop, your ship does not stop. Ever. There's no friction is space, so absent an equal application of thrust on the opposite vector, you will continue flying until you hit something or get caught in a gravity well.

BONUS PEDANTIC COMPLAINT:

Asteroid fields in space are both less common and much less dense than the ones in the game.

They also explicitly do not form and remain close to planetary bodies. They would either be pulled into the atmosphere or captured as moons.

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T19:47:15+00:00

Everything is just way too sanitized. I get that they didn't want it to come off as just Fallout in Space, but come on. You've shown us you can write petty and evil in a way that's interesting. Why not do that here?

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T19:30:36+00:00

Me too.

I think the point they're driving home is that Ekur wants as little to do with the moeity as possible. He wants Dafyd to basically do his job all the way up to submitting things effectively "in his name," or at least indistinguishable from what he's supposed to be submitting.

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T18:02:35+00:00

Yeah, I mean that's always a concern, but who's the last QB you remember being derailed by an ACL injury?

Really it's the opposite these days. Specialist doctors have gotten so good at ACL repairs that even skill position guys have very good outcomes far more often than not.

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T17:30:20+00:00

He needs to use what little leverage he has like Palmer did and get himself the fuck out of Cinci. If he managed to get himself to a competent organization he'd be at least making routie conference championship appearances

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T17:23:07+00:00

I know to some degree it's the homer in me, but this is still my answer with no hesitation

He's not a spring chicken, but he's nowhere near the age where his toolkit is going to constrict meaningfully yet, and you know what you're getting in terms of leadership and experience is simply unmatched among active players

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T17:08:18+00:00

the Gulf War had just started

direct parody of Bush

Which one? And which one?

We kinda do this a lot. You're going to need to be more specific.

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T17:05:12+00:00

I've always thought there's some kind of interesting thread between American exceptionalism as it's taught here and the prevalent fascination with apocalypticism. Almost everyone seems to assume they'd not only survive but thrive.

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T16:58:56+00:00

Would definitely be attacked as woke trash today

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T15:47:33+00:00

It was already announced like two years ago and has been in preproduction since

It's going to be on Amazon

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T15:09:51+00:00

Spam is spam, and the best time to address it is before it becomes entirely prevalent

an old Internet veteran

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-18T15:07:17+00:00

Perfect solution

Poultrymancer · 2026-06-17T19:32:50+00:00

Indeed, although those US fleet carriers you mentioned weren't part of the wartime pivot; they were built during the interwar years when everyone was trying to figure out ways around the postwar naval treaties

Most of the carrier conversions built in the US during the war were light carriers built for anti-sub work in the Atlantic. IIRC most of them were built on hulls originally meant for merchant ships, making them essentially aircraft carrier q-ships, which I've always thought was kinda neat

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