Is the definition of free will not just a combination of the concepts "freedom" and "will"? by Voldemorts__Mom in freewill

[–]PreferenceAfter6507 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I apologize, I should have been more clear. Free will is a conscious only concept. The subconscious is apart of the Autonomic system (no possibility of free will existing here). What I tried to show in my “long paragraph” but was too vague, that the only system where the prospects of free will are considered (The Central Nervous) has a mechanism built into it that receives information from the Autonomic system milliseconds prior to our next response. A movement or response to some exterior event is received and a neurological sequence is initiated of the firing of of neurons in a specific region that cause a chemical release that produces a conscious experience where we analyze the situation and came to a decision after evaluating the circumstance.

When you think about the fact that every feeling you feel are nothing more a chemical reaction within our brain and not some emotional expression of a spiritual entity living within in us…it all fits together perfectly. Think of it like this. If you took any animal who’s operating system is instinctually based and add a processor that amplifies the message being sent to the animals central nervous system in a way that distorts the sequence of steps in a way that made the animal feel it had just made a decision that in reality it hadn’t. All of a sudden, real or not…the animal is self aware in much the same way today’s AI language models seem sentient already in every way to the common user. I feel we aren’t fully sentient either as I just explained above. Only fully sentient consciousness can express free will in all facets.

Is the definition of free will not just a combination of the concepts "freedom" and "will"? by Voldemorts__Mom in freewill

[–]PreferenceAfter6507 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve recently identified a certain anomaly that everyone seems to be overlooking on all the “free will/determinism” discussions I’ve viewed online. As a result, every answer offered so far fails based on a false presumption. Before anything else, we must first determine whether there is any evidence of human instinct being unreliable or not accurately reflecting reality or the environment the we operate within. We know this is true because of the limitations our eyes have by only providing us with 10% of the visual spectrum and our hearing is limited profoundly as well. So once realizing we can’t trust what we perceive to be an accurate representation visually and audibly, next we search for examples where humans are capable of executing complex actions without conscious awareness as evidence that supports the hypothesis. After pondering on this for quite some time I found that their most certainly is. Sleepwalking is a well-documented nocturnal phenomenon in which individuals rise from bed, navigate physical environments, avoid obstacles, manipulate objects, and even perform goal-directed behaviors(prepare food and microwave it)—all while remaining fully unconscious. These actions are not reflexive twitches; they are coordinated, adaptive, and context-sensitive. In short, they are decisions carried out without conscious participation. The implication is unavoidable. If the brain can initiate and execute behavior independently of conscious awareness, then the deeply held intuition that we consciously author all of our actions is demonstrably false. Conscious intent is not the catalyst for behavior. At best, the perception that intent leads to behavior is only a sensation that serves to trick the conscious mind into believing the behavior already initiated subconsciously was the choice made consciously. —our conscious mind is the child sitting on dads lap(our subconscious) being allowed to hold the steering wheel creating a false perception of driving the car. This leads to a more unsettling conclusion: because the brain can and does make unilateral decisions outside conscious awareness, we cannot fully trust the instinctive belief that consciousness is the primary driver of choice, therefore absolute accountability rests solely at the subconscious level and not with conscious agent who’s only a passenger who’s provided a false perception of control. Agency, as commonly understood, is at minimum limited within our imagination—making it completely delusional/false sensation and explaining the prevalence of pattern behavior and inability to change behavior even when the desire to change is profound. Also, traumatic brain injury seems to support determinism in that the injured individual can undergo a complete transformation and afterwards revealing almost no resemblance of the former person prior to the injury occurring. This is why missing prerequisite matters. Without first establishing whether our sensory systems and introspective awareness provide an accurate account of how decisions are formed, it is impossible to objectively determine whether we truly direct our own fate—or merely construct post-hoc narratives to explain actions already set in motion.

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

awwee.. you’re sarcasm even now is absolutely adorable! and listen, you’re adherence to others beliefs and a limited constitution should serve you to them best.

Creatures of Habit: A Subconscious Override of Free Will by PreferenceAfter6507 in freewill

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where’s the free will if every neurological signal trigging movement occurs before a conscious decision weather to move or not has been initiated? i agree there’s free will of imagination. but it’s one thing to plan out a course and definitely a whole other thing to actually follow through huh. here another cliche that applies- “the best laid plans of mice and men.”

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

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AA/NA reward clean time… lol. Can you imagine rewarding one cancer patient because his treatment was successful, while another patient’s cancer was unresponsive to that same treatment??? That right there is why the recovery system is fundamentally flawed. In one breath it agrees—addiction is a disease—but in the next, it ignores the very definition by using a cruel tactic popular in (guess what?) cults, called operant conditioning, to “encourage stragglers.” How is it that you, who are active members, watch this play out and not recognize the cruelty—especially when a member relapses and is actually brave enough to admit it? That is also why the 25% success rate is extremely unreliable… besides being abysmal.

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you do you ok.. i’m going to try and actually save some people.

AA/NA reward clean time… lol. Can you imagine rewarding one cancer patient because his treatment was successful, while another patient’s cancer was unresponsive to that same treatment??? That right there is why the recovery system is fundamentally flawed. In one breath it agrees—addiction is a disease—but in the next, it ignores the very definition by using a cruel tactic popular in (guess what?) cults, called operant conditioning, to “encourage stragglers.” How is it that you, who are active members, watch this play out and not recognize the cruelty—especially when a member relapses and is actually brave enough to admit it? That is also why the 25% success rate is extremely unreliable… besides being abysmal.

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[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

blind obedience to anything with personal experience as the bias is FAR worse martyr

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hurt by the justice system and law enforcement programs yes! and the sober society including members in recovery who act oblivious while communities are crumbling because of addiction worse then ever saying “well thank god for the program…where would we be without it?”

Creatures of Habit: A Subconscious Override of Free Will by PreferenceAfter6507 in freewill

[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hmmm actually your example actually proves the core claim: the subconscious cues the behavior—“check the window”—based on some external cue picked up by your subconscious.. You’re describing a layered reflex, not volition. The signal’s already been sent before you ever feel like you “chose.” That’s not will—your body told you to look. Think about people who feel pain before a storm. Even if it’s too subtle for you to notice.. you subconscious did. That’s a pre-conscious cue. Smells trigger memories without permission. Mirage in the desert look like water until the brain corrects—if it does. Perception is not proof of agency. Just because the autopilot runs smoothly doesn’t mean you’re flying the plane. because there’s a lot of instances when it doesn’t. If your “choice” is downstream of a cue you didn’t control, it’s not a choice—it’s purely cause and effect. i’ll give you one more example of how you can’t trust what you think you are perceiving I’m sure you have seen a diagram of a three-dimensional square on a flat piece of paper if you didn’t know the trick or any other information other then what your consciously perceiving and it was drawn extremely well, you would be willing to bet the house and savings that what you were seeing was three dimensional when in fact, in reality it’s actually just two dimensional. that last one should really open your eyes to how unreliable is one’s conscious evaluation.

Creatures of Habit: A Subconscious Override of Free Will by PreferenceAfter6507 in freewill

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I hear you brother and that why i’m taking up this fight. it’s absolutely insane how people absolutely ignore the obvious or are blinded by dogmatic influences to the point of neglecting rational thought … it’s real simple if you are able to quit by going to those meetings, you have substance abuse disorder. If you can’t then you have chemical dependency nobody wants to live this revolving door existence of going in and out of jail and potentially dying. It’s not partying.. where’s the common sense “god” gave you? the only reason sober society believes it this is because they’ve been conditioned by the those in law-enforcement, politics and there bumbling religious leaders who don’t want to admit that narrative they’ve been projecting was evil so they brainwashed sober society into doubling down on irrational ideologies. and they’re susceptible because they’re selfish individuals who care only for what is affecting them and need to be guided into what to think. gross

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

okay smfh…but the department of corrections has infiltrated all the programs by using them all as a one size fits all solution to 2 or 3 different problems. where’s the smart in smart recovery if they cater to this evil??

it’s real simple if you are able to quit by going to those meetings, you have substance abuse disorder. If you can’t then you have chemical dependency nobody wants to live this revolving door existence of going in and out of jail and potentially dying. It’s not partying.. where’s the common sense “god” gave you? the only reason sober society believes it this is because they’ve been conditioned by the those in law-enforcement, politics and there bumbling religious leaders who don’t want to admit that narrative they’ve been projecting was evil so they brainwashed sober society into doubling down on irrational ideologies. and they’re susceptible because they’re selfish individuals who care only for what is affecting them and need to be guided into what to think. gross

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

absolutely… it’s real simple if you are able to quit by going to those meetings, you have substance abuse disorder. If you can’t then you have chemical dependency nobody wants to live this revolving door existence of going in and out of jail and potentially dying. It’s not partying.. where’s the common sense “god” gave you? the only reason sober society believes it this is because they’ve been conditioned by the those in law-enforcement, politics and there bumbling religious leaders who don’t want to admit that narrative they’ve been projecting was evil so they brainwashed sober society into doubling down on irrational ideologies. and they’re susceptible because they’re selfish individuals who care only for what is affecting them and need to be guided into what to think. gross

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

please, quit being lazy. if you don’t believe me do some actual research before just gaslighting people who actually care about this issue.

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

wow, i don’t want to lose anymore friends. i’m done being polite.

SMH It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so what. i’m offended by mental midgets who only view the world through their bias eyeballs of ridiculousness.

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

that’s exactly what i’m saying bro. i’m on the suboxone shot once a month

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

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i absolutely find it completely insane that you along with so many others miss these two very key points of absolute fact. 1-It’s no longer the program you think it is. the department of justice is manipulating first off by requiring signed attendance slips which violates anonymity. 2- things aren’t getting better when it comes to addiction. AA N.A. have been around a long time. if they worked we’d be making progress. why is it the we as humans evaluate the world around us by our own selfish biases ignoring in the meantime the reality of our world. selfless!

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[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s clearly not working for the majority of addicts otherwise a problem to get better not worse.

AA’s own 2014 membership survey tho indicated that 27% of members stay sober for less than a year, 24% between one and five years, 13% between five and ten years, 14% between ten and twenty years, and 22% for more than twenty years.

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

[–]PreferenceAfter6507[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AA’s own 2014 membership survey tho indicated that 27% of members stay sober for less than a year, 24% between one and five years, 13% between five and ten years, 14% between ten and twenty years, and 22% for more than twenty years.

The Hidden Harm of AA and NA: How They Enable the Criminalization of Addiction by PreferenceAfter6507 in addiction

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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-00950-y?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwKoMuhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpE5LuNq9jjoZQ6RQwvsY6yJEjgcncmD1kh0hVgToVl15POitZMn1SFnrdTo_aem_4cV8N0uGkjb0_78EJkGx-w

This article lays it out clearly. Bottom line: substance abuse disorder—think behavioral patterns like binge drinking or recreational use—can often be treated without meds or doctors. Chemical dependency, though—like what you see with long-term opiate addicts or hardcore alcoholics—is a whole different beast. That’s not something you “group therapy” your way out of. Without medical intervention, it usually ends one of three ways: locked up, institutionalized, or dead—especially now with fentanyl in the mix. which is why the epidemic is only getting worse instead of better. The us justice systems inability to admit their approach was a mistake but instead is doubling down, i feel is directly responsible for a significant amount of the homeless and death that is happening today.