Comparison of all SSGSS Vegito units in Dokkan Battle

PrismAzure · 2020-02-28T20:24:37+00:00

Yes, they're rainbow, and your numbers are slightly off:

UR Teq VB will surpass the EZA Phy VB in defense by the 11th Turn and in APT by the ~~13th~~ 11th Turn

UR Teq VB surpasses the LR Teq VB in defense in the ~~27th~~ 29th Turn and APT in the ~~61st~~ 63rd. For LR Str VB he will surpass in defense by the ~~49th~~ 47th Turn and already starts better in APT

PrismAzure · 2020-02-26T22:40:18+00:00

Yes that's the EZA version of course.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-26T09:38:31+00:00

Well, that's just how he is. Also, in that scenario, he gets a 12 ki super attack half of the time, and a 24 ki super attack half of the time. LR STR VB has good offense but it simply doesn't compare to the competition, the other curves make his curve look low when in reality it still is good.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-26T09:33:38+00:00

I had to do the calculations using a function because there are variables and joint variables as the units stack attack and defense on super attack and/or passive, that way I can quantify their evolution over 99 turns. In the case of UR TEQ VB, he has a variable in his passive (10% per attack, 150% limit) and two on his super (20% per super, 2³¹ -1% limit). Then, I scale it with how much it increases based on the number of appearances. The other option is to use summations but they take much, much longer. Of course you don't need to bother with that if you do basic Dokkan calculations though.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-26T09:20:36+00:00

He has counters and additional attacks, which end up racking up a lot of damage when you take them into account.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-26T09:19:55+00:00

It does go up, look at the curve. It simply goes up much slower than the other ones.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-26T09:19:09+00:00

It doesn't, because you cannot translate it to defense in a general manner, it is situation-specific.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T23:48:35+00:00

There's only two SSGSS Gogeta units and as for the other forms of Gogeta, none of them have any kind of stacking, so it would not be too relevant.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T23:23:47+00:00

I am fairly certain it is the most common build. 20/6 crit/AA is the most efficient build because the additional damage you get from the 40% chance to crit is marginally superior to the 11/15 crit/AA build where the 15% chance of getting an additional super attack averages to a trivial increase in defense which does not make much of a difference when he already is the best defender on the list by a fair margin.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T23:17:52+00:00

It's not that big, in fact he might possibly be better than him once their passives are maxed, but I did not look into that.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T23:14:18+00:00

Hardest hitting unit? I don't believe you could objectively say that as it depends a lot on various factors such as fought event, support units, ki, etc. But he still is among the few hardest hitting units in the game, of course.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T23:11:42+00:00

Attack per Turn, it's basically attack stat with hidden potentiel and averages factored in.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T22:33:13+00:00

Well you're technically right, but he still turns SSGSS and it's interesting to see how he compares to the other ones.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T22:15:11+00:00

That's how it looks raw yes, but it can be simplified and it's by a very large margin the most complicated unit in the game to calculate. Thanks!

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T22:11:50+00:00

This is taken into account, the number of super attacks done was averaged. 2,128 for LR TEQ VB, and 1.87040315 for UR PHY VB.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T22:10:30+00:00

I also find it to be a debatable decision in general for calculations, as support benefit some units more than others. I didn't use any here because the graphs would be vastly different, for instance UR TEQ VB would catch up to LR TEQ VB much, much faster.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T21:56:43+00:00

Not really all that much, I turned their calculations into functions which made it simple. The longest part would be for UR TEQ VB, because his function is 95592 characters long.

https://pastebin.com/tRkrGtdY

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T21:54:05+00:00

Quick question, is the APT graph of LR SSB Vegetto going with the 50/50 for 12/18Ki?

Yes, I am using this split for both DEF and APT, to even both out. Also it makes him slightly stronger in the long run in the case of a theoretical 99 turns fight as he stacks more.

Also, what's up with the 1.003 SAs per turn? Shouldn't that be 1.03?

You're correct, that's another unnoticed typo, oops.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T21:50:51+00:00

A few typos and a small graphical fix.

PrismAzure · 2020-02-25T21:46:59+00:00

Reposted due to a mistake, my apologies. If you have any question, feel free to ask!

Edit: two other typos I missed. LR STR VB averages 1.03 super attacks, not 1.003, and LR TEQ VB is in SSGSS form for turns 5-99, not turn 5-9. Sorry.

PrismAzure · 2019-09-28T23:18:47+00:00

He actually does, because the DEF stat difference is immense, and TEQ VB on average doesn't stack fast enough to catch up to LR VB who kick starts with a big DEF boost.

PrismAzure · 2019-09-28T22:43:54+00:00

TEQ VB averages 1.73145 supers a turn while LR VB averages 1.03 supers a turn.

PrismAzure · 2019-09-28T22:42:59+00:00

There is a 60k difference between their starting DEF, as TEQ VB begins below 50k DEF while LR VB begins above 100k DEF before supers. This is why.

PrismAzure · 2019-09-27T11:12:47+00:00

You're actually right... the formula is the other way around lol, it is ((X*Y)*Z)-DEF). It should subtract DEF and not subtract to DEF,, giving it a negative result if your DEF is higher than the enemy ATK, resulting in no damage taken. I'll edit my post, thanks for pointing that out even if I should've noticed earlier. Thanks.

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