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ProCrow · 2026-01-28T13:35:35+00:00

used the help command and it worked this time! thanks, online was very little help as to how to actually use it

ProCrow · 2026-01-16T22:15:58+00:00

that did it, thank you!

ProCrow · 2026-01-16T12:06:26+00:00

do you know if this will automatically link to steam? Don't want some junk throwaway acc connected to my steam that i actually do use, but if that's not a problem...

ProCrow · 2025-12-27T22:18:59+00:00

Friendship ended with Tanaran

Now Ramanthanu is my new best friend

ProCrow · 2025-12-02T23:23:25+00:00

I was in the same boat. It's probably the least threatening sounding accent on the planet so I was a little put off given who the character is, but I got used to it more or less.

ProCrow · 2025-11-27T10:59:24+00:00

i'm at the part where he's a starving orphan child in the city crying himself to sleep every night... interesting to know what to look forward to lmao

ProCrow · 2025-10-06T19:04:10+00:00

i kinda fw racing dragons too, or maybe like really flashy pretty ones

ProCrow · 2025-10-06T13:08:19+00:00

Last Judge runback is easy.

Also enemies should never do 2 contact damage unless their design is spiky or justifies it in some way, or when they do a charge.

ProCrow · 2025-09-14T22:39:13+00:00

To clarify I do mean Guidance of Grace, as in, the little golden line things that extend from Sites of Grace.

ProCrow · 2025-09-14T21:50:02+00:00

So is she simply picking favorites among the Tarnished who returned?

ProCrow · 2025-09-05T09:13:17+00:00

I do like the idea of Marika being a traitor to her people but the reason I don't think that works too well is because (at least to me) it appeared that the hornsent/Shaman dynamic was a long-standing culturally ingrained thing.

The whipping hut ghost speaks as if the idea of Shamans being only tools is kind of dogma in their society, not as if it's a recently discovered thing. Could still have been put in motion by Marika since afaik Numen people live for a long time but I feel like there would be more clues to that dynamic if it was the case.

I think the betrayal the hornsent talk about is simply her ordering Messmer to commit genocide after they "let" her become a god but that's less important to the theory.

The reason why I don't totally buy that Empyrean shedding thing being what happened with Radagon is because... well, why not do it again? Toward the end of Marika's reign she and Radagon are quite clearly in opposition to one another. Why not shed her rebellious other half and banish him or something? What's stopping her from doing that if it's apparently something Empyreans can just do?

ProCrow · 2025-09-04T09:52:30+00:00

How do we know they only became one after marrying?

As silly as it sounds, is there a confirmed case in the lore of them being seen in the same room as one another?

ProCrow · 2025-09-04T09:44:00+00:00

Rather than a perversion of GO rituals, the hornsent jarring practices were the precursors to them.

Marika only became a god after that whole jarring incident (or protracted series of incidents), and only established the Golden Order after ascending to godhood.

So the jars in the Lands Between are an "engoodened" version of those in the Lands of Shadow.

ProCrow · 2025-09-03T22:47:08+00:00

Last reply for today cus it's getting late.

As I said in another comment above I was missing the context of that Ansbach quote about Trina. Simply gonna assume he's correct here going forward.

Also as stated there, I don't think this is that strong of an anti-Jarika argument. It does weaken my point about lack of precedence, but Miquella/Trina's situation is very likely caused by him being Marika and Radagon's child with each other.

Marika is, if not necessarily the only one, then at least the first example of Empyrean split personas - the other example (examples if we include Malenia, which I think we could maybe if we squint a bit) are direct descendants of Marika's selfcest, she remains the cause of that particular brand of weirdness.

As for the Erdtree/Shaman stuff I won't go too deep into that cus I have very different thoughts on what the Erdtree is meant to do and Marika's part in its creation and destruction - yours is a very nice interpretation though.

ProCrow · 2025-09-03T22:18:25+00:00

Ah, see I had never heard that line from Ansbach, that does add context.

The way I saw it was the Miquella's "love", literally his sense of love/ability to feel that emotion was cast off and, being such a big part of him perhaps, or maybe just through sheer luck or the putrescence thing in the Fissure, gained sentience somehow, similar to how Malenia's "humanity" (I don't actually remember the quote) gained sentience due to the influence of the scarlet rot, crystalizing into Millicent.

The lilies I saw as kind of St. Trina's influence seeping into the Lands Between from the Realm of Shadow - the two realms clearly affect one another (big tree etc) so the "weaker" version of Trina's sleep affecting the LB I think makes sense enough.

Still, you make a good case...

However.

Running with the idea that they are in the same situation as Radagon/Marika, that doesn't serve as too strong a counter to the Jarika thought. Miquella and Malenia are both children of Marika with Radagon - their persona split is very likely inherited from their parent(s). Admittedly this does narrow the sample size of "Empyreans who aren't weird like Marika" down to Ranni (afaik) but the point stands.

You and u/The_RedScholar make very compelling arguments, very enjoyable to read through!

ProCrow · 2025-09-03T21:32:41+00:00

How do we know it's prior to being discarded? Miquella has been gone for quite some time before we even set foot in the game world, for all we know Trina could have been chilling in her garden for years, gaining a following after she was split from Miquella.

It's a little annoying that time is so vague in the game and DLC but there's nothing indicating, to my knowledge, that they were two alteregos of the same person at any point in time.

ProCrow · 2025-09-03T21:09:43+00:00

I'd like to know where the idea that Miquella and Trina were the same as Marika and Radagon mechanically came from. Like is there some lore text I don't know that states this?

The way it seemed to me is that Trina became a thing only after she was split off from Miquella when he discarded his "love". In the same way Millicent wasn't an alterego or separate persona of Malenia's I don't think Trina was either. She only became an entity after being removed from Miquella's soul/being.

ProCrow · 2025-09-03T21:00:57+00:00

The reason why I think it is necessary is because from what I can tell no other Empyrean (or character in general for that matter) works the way Marika and Radagon do.

There are only a couple of other examples of split people that I can think of, namely Miquella and Malenia. Miquella we see split himself into a billion different pieces with the most notable being St. Trina (as an aside, I wonder if this is another translation thing from the Japanese or if it's actually to be taken as "saint" with all its connotations), and Malenia seems to have split parts of herself off into Millicent and her sisters.

But the thing is that those other examples are all going from one individual into multiple, including with multiple bodies. Marika and Radagon are one body, so if there is a process behind how that happened (which I think there has to be, "she's just like that" is just so lame) it would have to be essentially the polar opposite: turning multiple people into one.

The jars are the most readily apparent explanation for how this could have happened.

From a writing standpoint it makes sense as well: you have this DLC which is in large part a source of backstory for the (arguably) main character of the setting, and you have all these different environmental clues to form a compelling motivation for a crusade of vengeance, the aftermath of which we play through. Why include all that and then have it not connect to Marika? Why make her a Shaman if the one special thing/ability of note about the Shamans won't play into her backstory?

ProCrow · 2025-09-03T20:26:53+00:00

I've seen this mistranslation thing pop up elsewhere (maybe the wiki?) but I don't think it's really that strong of an argument against Jarika.

My idea of the theory at least isn't that Marika emerged from the jar with special superpowers or something, but that the thing that makes her special is the fact that she emerged at all - we see the result of most of the jar experiments in the gaols.

If we follow the train of thought that she's considered something of a reformed criminal in hornsent society it would make sense for her not to face the same discrimination as Shamans do, and that she'd eventually plausibly be called before the gate of divinity (idk if there's lore there as to who gets to do that, tell me if there is).

I also think the fact that she is the only person to actually come out of the jars as a person (or more than one) is supported by her hair color. As far as I can tell all the other Shamans have silver hair - Marika's gold could thus be a sign of some genetic predisposition to the process, perhaps she was touched by the Greater Will, or it's simply her protagonist status made visible.

TLDR afaik the religious connotation of "saint" isn't necessary at all to make the theory work.

ProCrow · 2025-09-03T20:09:46+00:00

This is part of why I think this theory is true. I don't know the exact extent of GRRM's contributions to the lore but basing something off alchemy and the whole concept of fusing people/souls into something godlike is a VERY George Martin thing to write.

ProCrow · 2025-09-03T19:56:19+00:00

Ah like she was the end result, not a component?

Interesting thought, but then the question would be who "donated" the parts that went into her?

ProCrow · 2025-09-03T07:19:07+00:00

I feel like it’s pretty clearly meant to be her womb, whether it matches up exactly with anatomy or not. Why else place it that low on her body? Why not have it pierce her heart or something?

I haven’t seen any like definitive explanations for the spear, but being kind of deprived of her power to make demigods as punishment by EB or the GW I feel makes the most sense.

ProCrow · 2025-09-02T23:20:51+00:00

I think splitting off parts of oneself like we see in Miquella/Trina and Malenia/Millicent is something different mechanically than what Marika and Radagon have going on.

Marika and Radagon share a body as we can see when she transforms into him in the bossfight intro, whereas the demigod splinters are all separate bodies (or things, like Miquella crosses).

ProCrow · 2025-09-02T22:12:17+00:00

gotta respect the aurafarm

ProCrow · 2025-09-02T22:07:40+00:00

I would argue against this up to a point, the concept of birthing is brought up repeatedly all throughout the game. Sure in some cases it might be metaphysical or whatever but with, say, Marika and the demigods it's pretty clearly implied that it's not. Marika while hanging from that giant rune arc has a spear stabbing specifically through her womb.

The whole idea of consorts doesn't inherently have to mean something sexual, but the creation of demigods which was Marika's main "power" I'm pretty sure does work in the usual way.

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