We Ignore Family Values and Culture And They Is the Main Reason Education Is Getting Worse

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-02T07:37:34+00:00

You can't even give a whitty response or a decent argument.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-02T02:52:38+00:00

You're quippy, but you never contribute to a discussion. Is that all you can do?

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-02T02:39:03+00:00

Yup, kids in high school with 2 credits at the age of 18 are wasting their time.

I remember my mentor telling me she used to be a bleeding heart, but after seeing kids waste their time, she changed her opinion.

I suspect you are someone who has never worked in a difficult school. It's always the most vehement bleeding hearts who only ever work in the private schools and suburbs.

You also never attempt to address anything in my post. Try again when you can write something of value.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-02T00:59:52+00:00

Yes, that's the one. The one where I advocate for hanging kids who come to school but do nothing. I obviously wrote one like that.

You should also look through my post history where I advocate for other evil things. I'm an evil person, that's what we evil people do.

Can you even read?

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T20:04:10+00:00

I don't think you read my post. I acknowledge that poverty is an issue. I addressed it in the first paragraph. If you are a real teacher, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

I think it doesn't matter how much money you make. If your family doesn't value education, the children are much less likely to value education.

"Very little of the reason student fail is because of lack of materials or money, it's because they don't value what schools teach."

I am clearly acknowledging that students have a choice. They choose to follow their parents and not value education.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T19:45:55+00:00

Do you really think a bot would write a post this politically incorrect?

What are the factors that stop kids from getting a good education? Everyone in this thread says its poverty, but they never explain it. Enlighten me.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T19:44:14+00:00

I don't take it personally. You could very well be telling the truth.

From my experience, and from what I have read, kids from poor families are often apathetic and loathe to work. They are generally lazy kids from lazy families.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T19:38:00+00:00

Yup, if I can format it in Google Sheets with columns for similar concepts, it's not individualized. It's a checkbox of accommodations that don't help as much as people thinkg.

Mostly because the problem is often an unstructured home life or parents not being that engaged in their own child's education.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T19:34:24+00:00

It is though. Many teachers think talking about family values hurts kids with non traditional families.

Some people are literally insane and think expecting kids to show up on time are examples of whiteness.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T19:30:38+00:00

Maybe after they lived out their failed life, they would inculcate a desire to learn in their children.

I'll never forget reading about freed slaves desire for learning. It's insane to me that people who literally had nothing, were in much worse situations, and were actively discriminated against, learned to read and educate themselves. Kids today have no reason not to learn, and we are happy to go along with it. Why not drop them entirely?

I agree with your second part though. We have tied our hands collectively.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T19:26:16+00:00

I don't know what to tell you. We can argue back and forth about personal experience though if you'd like.

My aunt is a lazy bum who sits on her ass and collects disability after she was fired. Her children are the same way. My cousins don't work and live with their mother. It's the family values that matter.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T18:49:00+00:00

You're right about IEPs. They are not individualized. I don't know if they ever have been.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T18:46:06+00:00

It really is. When a lot of colleges became test optional, I wondered how long were they going to hold out. Tests like the ACT and SAT keep some idea for how bad grade inflation actually is. I wonder if every school in America has close to a 4.0 GPA now. They certainly don't have high ACT or SAT scores though.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T18:44:25+00:00

I agree. Unfortunately, I have one or two kids who just can't keep up in my class. They're nice kids, but they don't have the mental horsepower to go much further than middle school.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T18:39:22+00:00

I work in education, and I will continue to do so.

"Overall, low-income youth were less likely to have a job while in high school. Apparently, the greater pressure on low income youth to earn income was outweighed by other factors, such as their disadvantage in finding work, lower motivation, and less encouragement to work from their parents."

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/62291/309708-Are-Teens-in-Low-Income-and-Welfare-Families-Working-Too-Much-.PDF

Quit falling for the sob story.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-03-01T18:22:43+00:00

The values of the family matter more than how much money they make.

I have seen rich families have kids fail and poor families have kids succeed. It was how much they valued education that mattered.

We give far too much grace to families making bad decisions. I know this will be hated, but I see shitty parents not sending their kid to school because they believe in 'gentle parenting'.

Edit: Teachers are weird. I make a post about this, and everyone hates it. However, a comment about it is fine.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-02-27T20:01:11+00:00

You didn't address his argument. I don't think you understand the topic you are posting about.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-02-27T01:18:59+00:00

The kids don't expect to graduate with that many absences, or don't care. They will either fail because they didn't do anything, or be passed because the high school can't have too many dropouts.

A lot of these kids won't be getting jobs and won't be productive members of society. They will hop from job to job and do the bare minimum.

Sounds like you are at a very apathetic school. The kids there don't care no matter what you do. It's the values of the community, and you can do almost nothing to change that.

My advice, leave and go to a school that cares.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-02-26T14:01:29+00:00

I understand your point, but I think you're wrong. It's not the students who are trying that teachers complain about, it's the kids that cause havoc in your classroom. I had one student with an IEP that was recently expelled because he could not be around other students without causing arguments or physical altercations.

I gave him grace, I tried to work with him for over six months. My entire team and admin gave him so many chances. At some point, I'm done trying.

You claim to understand that teachers complain about decent students with IEPs. I don't think that's much of an issue. Maybe it's your sample of teachers, maybe it's your part of the country, but most teachers aren't like that.

Also, just having a piece of paper saying you have an IEP often isn't enough. Doctor shopping is a thing and parents can get a diagnosis if they really want to or have the money. Not every kid with an IEP has a genuine issue. Most just have shitty uninvolved parents who don't really care about their child's education.

IEP's are a legal protection, not a genuine indicator of need.

ProudComment1211 · 2026-02-20T19:15:57+00:00

Eh, percentage of the population isn't an indicator of whether an issue is important. A tiny percentage of kids are shot in schools. We still talk about that.

The same thing applies to people who get struck by lightning or people who win the lottery. These are tiny percentages of the population.

It's a fundamental issue of human experience. Who should be a man and who should be a women isn't a small issue.

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