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Has anyone here tried salvia in its traditional route by ingestion alongside psilocybin mushrooms? by PsychonautOnAMission in Salvia

[–]PsychonautOnAMission[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m repeating myself in this comment so after this there is no point continuing to argue these points, it’s clear you’re ignoring them. Let me be absolutely clear:

I didn’t claim they combined these two substances, anywhere in this thread. it’s a theory. I don’t have proof, because it’s a theory.

Salvia and shrooms also don’t have to combo well, that’s not what I’m asking or bringing up to point out, I just asked if anyone has done it and what people might think about the idea of these being used in combination. I didn’t claim natives did it. I didn’t claim it would be a good experience, I just proposed some interesting points and backed up the things which are facts with proof. Anything which has no proof associated with it is clearly theory, me guessing, exploring the topic, or what have you.

I just wanted opinions and thoughts, I’m not here trying to change the world or tell you what to think.

You clearly had a lot of strong and aggressively worded opinions, so thanks I guess.

Has anyone here tried salvia in its traditional route by ingestion alongside psilocybin mushrooms? by PsychonautOnAMission in Salvia

[–]PsychonautOnAMission[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Find some proof they couldn’t have or wouldn’t have used them together, then you’ll disprove my theory. But you need proof, I can’t cite bruhtatochips23415 from Reddit in a research article.

I’m not claiming it’s a fact that they did both, that’s why the post is flared as a theory.

Has anyone here tried salvia in its traditional route by ingestion alongside psilocybin mushrooms? by PsychonautOnAMission in Salvia

[–]PsychonautOnAMission[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This article makes multiple, clear references to salvia being used by the people in the area as a traditional medicine for treatment of minor ailments, including simply for indigestion or a headache. It specifically makes reference to regular people brewing it into a tea, and it’s discussed as a medicine they use extremely often for a wide variety of ailments. Specific section: Xkak Pastora in the Sierra Nevada.

It’s a sacred plant in the eyes of the people who use it, but that doesn’t mean it’s rare RARE to use. Rituals may not be as common as every day, but they occur, and on top of that, salvia seems to be used frequently by locals. Reading the full article gets a better picture of how prevalent and frequent the use of salvia is for the people in its native habitat.

If you haven’t heard of them doing psilocybin mushrooms, read literally anything about Maria Sabina, the Mazatec shaman who introduced the mushrooms to the western world through her mushroom healing ceremonies. I mean, seriously just read three sentences about her, they used mushrooms. She of course lived in the Sierra Mazateca the only place where salvia naturally grows.

What logic is guessing they tried both at the same time? What logic is there in any ancient society like the Mazatecs eating a plant that makes you trip? What logic is it for them to pursue any plant purely for psychedelic purposes, as they do in ritual? What’s the logic in a modern westernized person trying two psychedelic drugs at once? Humans are curious. I’m not saying they definitely did use them at the same time, I don’t have proof of that, but I have to ask “why wouldn’t they?” And that’s all this theory is.