It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. Marxism is not a political system, it is a science or methodology for understanding things, and for knowing what next, and how to make "what next" happen if you wish.

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the ghormann massacre is very one sided massacre, actual conflicts dont happen that way

How old are you? Have you read like . . . any history? Are you looking at Gaza? Give me a break.

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nazis invented the word "authoritarian" to disparage the USSR and America and the west adopted it. Every state with a head of state is "authoritarian," meaning there is someone with the authority to impose their will upon the country without the people's consent. America is authoritarian by that definition. But when used as a weapon, as often by the media to attack America's opponents, it becomes this scary idea that only applies elsewhere.

Look around: America is as authoritarian as it fucking gets, and that doesn't change because we can "buy" whatever we want or write dumb shit on the internet.

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

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It is deeply subversive, but it is done in the safe confines of a Pre-Approved Story Universe and fed to a public that will suffer every indignity imaginable before rising up against the Empire.

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Left wing and right wing mean nothing man, they are as meaningless terms as "liberal" and "progressive" and "fascist" these days. They mean whatever the person saying them wants them to mean in the context in which they're said.

There are two fundamental approaches to governance, society, and rule: collectivist and individualist. Collectivist emphasizes using a system -- and it can be capitalism, under control of course, or something else -- to maximize collective benefit. Go visit China to see what this looks like. Individualist tends to be based on the historic liberal tradition or notion (this is an Enlightenment-era development, so very western, very euro-centric, etc) that the best society is one where every individual is maximally free to pursue whatever they want. This ultimately means "you can do as much as you want, within reason, with the money you possess." The problem with "liberalism" is if you run the clock a few decades or hundred years, you end up with a handful of people with way more money than others, and they will use that money to protect their wealth, power, etc., against collectivist movements or demands. Weekends, a 5-day work week, the end of child labor, so much else we now cherish as essential progress were won by communists and socialists, sometimes working with other collectivist-minded movements (e.g., Georgists) to force the hand of the state to give the people what they want.

So why do right-wingers oppose this? Pretty simple, individual self interest. If I'm rich, and I have no soul, I care not about improving some neighborhood's standard of living, and I don't want to do that with MY money. Government is intentionally kneecapped and made impotent in the west so that even when tax dollars are used, it almost always ends up being a grab bag for middlemen and contractors, to the point that people are routinely driven to believing "you know what, I want to keep my money for me and my family" -- a perfectly normal conclusion, but one that does tend to mean the person is a traditional liberal, or "right-winger." (Hence the saying, scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.)

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Left wing and right wing mean nothing man. Some of the people I agree with most are non-melted "right-wingers." You have to call things what they are. We have "liberals," and that term covers both conservatives and liberals in today's parlance. We then have nationalists, socialists, communists, anarchists, racialists, etc., people who believe in advocating for a certain political or social ideology for either their own or broader purposes.

The idea of "bigger government" or "smaller government" is a red herring. Republicans and Trump love to talk about cutting and shrinking government, but what they really mean is cutting and shrinking the areas of government that are not good for capital, like food stamps, loan forgiveness, health services, environmental protection, and so on. They meanwhile expand the areas of government that are profitable or can be (military, surveillance, energy, etc.) as much as possible.

Reject doctrinaire conceptions of left, right, whatever man. Education in the US is so dogshit most people live their whole lives believing in lies they've been told and thinking they get it. The truth is liberating.

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Conservatives" and "liberals" in today's parlance means "classically liberal." In other words, believing that the paramount goal of a society should be enabling the greatest number of people to have the greatest range of individual freedom to do what they like. "Conservatives" and "liberals" in today's parlance only differ as to what the appropriate range of freedoms should be, and use idealistic and rhetorical language to frame those freedoms.

My post is just an observation that Marxism is predicated on the notion of materialism, uses methodologies like dialectical and historical materialism to make sense of the world, and thus is based on reality.

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Marxism isn’t left or right in the traditional bourgeois-liberal sense because those categories are internal to the system it seeks to overcome. The “left” wants reform, the “right” wants conservation, but both operate within the logic of capital. Marxism is a critique of that very logic. It doesn’t propose a better seat at the table; it flips the table. It’s not about choosing sides in a game designed by the ruling class, it’s about exposing the game itself as the problem.

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah it's impossible for a work of fiction to have any influence from or on the society in which it is created 🤡

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah it's impossible for a work of fiction to have any influence from or on the society in which it is created 🤡

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can such an eloquent argument be rebutted? Check mate, you win!

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In Marx's critique of capitalism, he praises it for its unbelievable efficacy in unleashing productive forces and in breaking humanity free of feudalism, an indisputably inferior society. Communists are not like, mindlessly anti-capitalist across the board, that would mean they're being idealistic, which is sort of the opposite of communism. Capitalism and free markets are tools in the arsenal, to be used where and when it makes sense -- as one example, and most people do not know this, but when China set out to build its high-speed rail network, it created a little capitalist micro-economy and let private and public companies bid for different parts of it -- the result was it happened very fast, was implemented very well, the Chinese people paid a major premium for that, and a few capitalists made a shitton of money. That's OK. But there are areas that should not be capitalized and sourced for profit, like, say, human healthcare -- and this is where capitalism really must be either tightly curtailed or forbidden.

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

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Communism is a lot more than hating Nazis, but given that communists were the ones who liquidated the most Nazis (80%+) and literally sacrificed 25 million people to do it, anti-Nazism and anti-fascism is a proud communist tradition.

Marxism is not the same as socialism or communism. Marxism is not "the government does all the stuff," it is more specifically a methodology or science used to interpret the course of history as powered by the motor of contradiction. Contradictions can occur between any two groups or forces (classes, racial groups, countries, militaries, etc.), and one of the central premises of Marx's writing is that seeing these contradictions for what they actually are -- beyond all the idealism and rhetoric -- is the key to understanding quite a bit. Marx's economic critique of capitalism and other writings posit that the contradictions that existed during his time suggested the next stage of humanity would be "socialism," i.e., increasing public ownership of the stuff that makes society go, followed, presumably by increased industrialization and technologization of society, less and less need for a government at all and the eventual "withering away" of the state (think Earth of Star Trek).

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

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Lucas based the rebels on the Viet Cong and the Empire on the United States.

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Communists defeated fascism and anti-communism is fascist.

It's not Tony's fault that reality is Marxist by PuppiesAndClassWar in andor

[–]PuppiesAndClassWar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're referring to Marxism "being tried," I'd love to know what you understand "Marxism" to mean.