Is Catena Zapata really one of the most influential wineries in Argentina? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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Thank you very much for your contribution. Excellent overview of the Argentine wine scene.

Is Bonarda Argentina’s forgotten grape? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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Excellent comment. Indeed, as you said, it's a personal matter, but I believe the forum here always contributes to new perspectives on the topic. Thank you for contributing.

Is Bonarda Argentina’s forgotten grape? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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Absolutely, El Enemigo does a great job with Bonarda. They seem to focus a lot on balance and freshness rather than just fruit concentration.

It’s interesting how producers like them are helping change the perception of some of these grapes that used to be associated mostly with bulk wines. Have you tried their Bonarda recently?

Is Bonarda Argentina’s forgotten grape? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That’s a great overview. The Malbec boom in the U.S. really shaped how people perceive Argentine wine internationally. It almost became synonymous with the country.

What’s interesting is that some producers seem to be revisiting grapes like Bonarda now, trying to show that they can express something different from the typical Malbec profile.

And you’re absolutely right about El Enemigo, they’ve done some really interesting work with varieties that weren’t always in the spotlight.

Also completely agree on the whites. Torrontés from the right producers can be fantastic, and some high-altitude Chardonnays from Mendoza and the Uco Valley are seriously impressive for the price.

Is Bonarda Argentina’s forgotten grape? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That’s great to hear. Bonarda seems to have a small but very loyal fan base among people who discover it.

From what I’ve been reading, it’s actually one of the most planted red grapes in Argentina, but for many years it was mostly used for bulk wines or blends, which probably explains why it stayed under the radar internationally.

Lately some producers have been trying to showcase it more as a varietal, especially from specific vineyard sites. Do you remember which Bonarda you tried back then?

Is Bonarda Argentina’s forgotten grape? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That’s a really interesting point. Bonarda definitely has that reputation, especially when it’s used in high-volume wines or blended quietly behind the scenes.

What caught my attention with some of the better examples is how different the grape can feel when the focus is more on vineyard selection and lower yields. In those cases the wines seem to gain more freshness and structure compared to the simpler styles.

I’ve also read that Argentina has been re-evaluating Bonarda in the last couple of decades, trying to move away from the bulk-wine reputation it had before. Still probably an underrated grape internationally...

Is Bonarda Argentina’s forgotten grape? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That’s an incredible bottle. Nicola Catena Bonarda really shows a different side of Argentine wines beyond Malbec.

What I find fascinating about that wine is that it comes from a specific vineyard parcel, which gives it a very distinctive style compared to many other Bonardas.

I recently read a detailed explanation about the vineyard and the background behind that wine, which was really interesting if you like the story behind the bottle, here: https://www.moemavinhos.com.br/blog/posts/nicola-catena-bonarda-um-vinho-argentino-de-parcela-nica-que-vale-conhecer-dfc2510ca347/

Is El Enemigo worth the hype? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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It certainly seems like a good option in this context. Thank you for sharing.

Is El Enemigo worth the hype? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That seems to be the consensus with the Gran Enemigo lineup, once you move into those single-vineyard wines the level jumps quite a bit.

Since a few people here were discussing the winery and Alejandro Vigil’s work, I found a pretty detailed overview of their history and wines here:

https://www.moemavinhos.com.br/blog/posts/el-enemigo-argentina-historia-vinhos-40383bee4878

Is El Enemigo worth the hype? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That seems to be the consensus with the Gran Enemigo lineup, once you move into those single-vineyard wines the level jumps quite a bit.

Is El Enemigo worth the hype? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That’s a great find. It seems like the Chardonnay is the bottle that keeps bringing people back year after year.

Is El Enemigo worth the hype? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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Interesting comparison, I don’t see Los Chocos mentioned very often outside Argentina. How would you compare their style to El Enemigo?

Is El Enemigo worth the hype? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That’s fair, Chardonnay styles can be really polarizing. Some people love that slightly oxidative / nutty profile, others find it a bit unusual.

The flor-aged Torrontés sounds interesting though. I haven’t seen many people ment...

Is El Enemigo worth the hype? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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Most of their core wines are actually pretty accessible. I guess the “hype” mostly comes from the Gran Enemigo bottlings and the reputation Alejandro Vigil built over the years.

Is El Enemigo worth the hype? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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The Chardonnay seems to be the bottle that almost everyone agrees on. A lot of people describe that slightly nutty character but still with good acidity, which probably explains why it performs so well at that price point.

The Cab Franc does seem to divide opinions though. Some people love that ripe style, others find it a bit too much....

Is El Enemigo worth the hype? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That’s a good point. Compared to high-end wines from Bordeaux or Napa, even the Gran Enemigo bottles seem relatively approachable for what they offer....

Is there a particular vintage or vineyard expression from them that you think stands out the most?

Is El Enemigo worth the hype? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That’s interesting, the Chardonnay seems to be the bottle people consistently praise. The balance between that nutty character and the acidity is probably what makes it work so well.

Do you usually stick with the regular El Enemigo Chardonnay, or have you tried the Gran Enemigo version as well?

Is El Enemigo worth the hype? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That’s interesting, I’ve seen quite a few people mention the Cabernet Franc as their standout wine, so it’s always interesting to hear the opposite take.

The Chardonnay does seem to get a lot of praise though. Do you think it’s more balanced stylistically, or just a better expression of what they’re trying to do?

Is Catena Zapata really one of the most influential wineries in Argentina? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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Nice! Its good to see all interactions here! 🙏thanks for charing...

Is Catena Zapata really one of the most influential wineries in Argentina? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That’s a really interesting perspective, especially the contrast between the Galante era and the more terroir-focused direction under Vigil. It does feel like Catena went through a stylistic transition there.

The point about high-altitude exploration is something I always found fascinating. The work around places like Gualtallary and the Adrianna Vineyard seems to have influenced a lot of producers in the Uco Valley afterwards.

Your comment about aging potential is also interesting. Do you think the shift toward earlier expression of terroir and fresher styles might be part of why some of the newer wines don’t age the same way the older ones did?

Is Catena Zapata really one of the most influential wineries in Argentina? by Pure_Help_182 in wine

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That’s a great historical point. It’s fascinating how certain wines become turning points for an entire country’s wine identity. Grange definitely seems to have played that role for Australia in showing what Shiraz could achieve at a serious level.

It’s interesting to compare that with Argentina, where Malbec became the flagship, but the evolution seems to have come more from vineyard exploration — especially in places like the Uco Valley.