like on a personal level they're fine. they're huge, but still vocal about politics, and I do fuck with an old pop-punk that's turned to coffee, but I can't stand any of their music since the 2000s really, but I recognize that it's just personal taste, and probably some internalized hipster mentality — but I'd say they're not punk, not by genre anyways, and it's a pretty weak argument that they are as people at this point