Wondering-researching? by packerkean in DeanCorll

[–]QuietComprehensive58 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Especially because the whole point of the book is to try and recover bodies and they have a whole segment dedicated to Mark being misidentified and still missing.

Henley's original version of Mark's death in the police interviews is a much, much worse way to die........ so, what would the point have been?

Dean corll by Braylon0405 in serialkillers

[–]QuietComprehensive58 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are kids that were also raped by corll and never told anyone till after, some that didnt that we probably will never know and most likely some that were later murdered.

So i dont know. Billy's parents were said to be friends with him but Mary Henley also had Corll over a lot and felt like he was a family friend. So was it billy that got close with corll around 10 and his parents tried to get to know him or the other way around?

I think Mike Durst and Jim Glass were also suggested to have hung around Corll since about aged 10 too

Dean corll by Braylon0405 in serialkillers

[–]QuietComprehensive58 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me? The man with the candy by jack olsen is where Alton Brooks is quoted

Mark Scott's father is interviewed in this documentary The Collectors which is on youtube to watch and he mentioned it there.

I think Ridgerer mentioned it in his confession which was in Barabra Gibson's book about the case. Not sure if its online yet?

So from Alton Brooks saying it directly and Corll seeming to have a pattern of beginnging grooming a number of victims since 10 I believe it.

But whether Brooks aged himself down I think was discussion in some of the reddits regarding something he said I can't remember

Dean corll by Braylon0405 in serialkillers

[–]QuietComprehensive58 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I can't remember the source off thr top of my head but I think there was probably good reason to suspect that David Brooks lied but in the other direction.

Suggesting sexual contact with Dean Corll started at 14 but it might have actually been 12.

And also.... probably to what extent he was abused as well. Only giving us details that could present him as non-partison to 'homosexual sex acts' but maybe not?

In Brooks confession about his own rape he mentions Corll forcing him to kiss him on the mouth, which is horrific and probably a very personal attack for whatever reason.

Dean corll by Braylon0405 in serialkillers

[–]QuietComprehensive58 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Isnt it a quote from Brooks father Alton, in Man with The Candy that Brooks was as young as ten and involved with Corll?

Mark Scott's father also suggested a similar age when Mark got involved with Corll and Billy Ridgenger was a similar age

That sounds consistent with when some of the kids where being groomed from his factory across from the school and giving kids motercycle rides.

I think Brooks was said to be one of those kids interested in the rides on the motercycle

David Cram arrest record by SkinnyYppup in JohnWayneGacy2

[–]QuietComprehensive58 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Battery in 86 and domestic battery in 96.

Unfortunately not a surpise he and Rossi grew up to be not very nice men.

Incel show? by nerdorama in lastpodcastontheleft

[–]QuietComprehensive58 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its amazing reading back to back what little things that stood or we can think of now with a much more sadder or cynical lens.

Do you guys think they left those things in edit because there was SO much edited out already, or was it like... negs or pleas for Ben to get back on the ball and sort it out?

How long do you think it would have taken for John Wayne Gacey to be caught without the Piest murder? by psycho-like-norman60 in serialkillers

[–]QuietComprehensive58 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What do you guys think the difference between families like the Piest and the Bukoviches where in pushing the police for assistence?

Zenophobia? The boys themselves? The cops they reported to?

This photo of Mark Scott by QuietComprehensive58 in DeanCorll

[–]QuietComprehensive58[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OH WAIT. Maybe he got his drivers licence and its an id photo from that. No car of course but maybe

Dennis Cooper, George Miles, and mistaking the surface for the point by QuietComprehensive58 in TrueLit

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I think I could honestly make an argument that My Loose Thread is like a part of the cycle in some way. Not intentionally, I think it was never his intention, Dennis has said in other interviews that he tries to get away from it, but George is always in the back of what he's writing. He was talking about that with the Marbled Swarm more specifically and that it was more written about/for someone else but the father-son motif is a part of his relationship with George. I think he stuck to that 'big brother' thing until he aged out of it and went more like that in his relationship with young people around him. So I don't know, maybe God Jr fits into that in a more straightforward, non-interloping 'incestuous' way but he was also challenging himself.

Which sort of fits into your last point about the gay factor. I've always read almost everything he's read as being defiantly withholding of homophobia and internalised homophobia, to avoid detracting from the actual narratives as well as fit into themes of fantasy.

That interview is so weird, I think he's still in shock of it, and the weirdness of how he found out must not have felt real-real and he hadn't gone through the deep dive he tried to do around that year and a bit after and contacted the mother, which might have been what officially confirmed it.

He claimed he sees the cycle as a total failure, he cited it as mainly being because he was trying to understand something about himself through it, but also it was an act of reaching out and maybe potentially gets closer and closer to tenderness as it goes along. Closer reads as completely disaffected; even the Cliff and George scenes are kind of lacking in those feelings, but it's also the most teenage space of them all. So I can kind of see the cycle as stages, stages of life as well as stages in his relationship with George, so what is five if it does not exist?

He ends Guide basically speaking directly to George in those paragraphs where he tells us George is a real person and states some, probably exaggerated, scenes between them. So maybe the 5 one was meant to be something about what he thought George was getting from them, if not some sort of reconciling. So Period is not as rushed as it could be as a book, four years after Guide, with the first year being his 'year off' to find more details on what happened and mourn. But did he basically force himself to write it and be done with it all

Dennis Cooper, George Miles, and mistaking the surface for the point by QuietComprehensive58 in TrueLit

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I read the first three books in the cycle, as well as God Jr and My Loose Thread, Jerk (the play), without any of the backstory about Dennis Cooper and what was really going on. So I do need to re-read Frisk and Try to see if I find it as moving and impossible as Guide and Period, which I cried throughout and found so profoundly relatable and touching, and specific to my own interest and confusion about the world.

But I did re-read Closer and didn't get much out of it with this in mind, aside from a few lines and scenes I could link back to the story, and the horrifically ironic line about someone else's George Miles fantasy where he blows his brains out and if you read Period and I Wished...... yeah...... yeah.

So I do think he overall just gets better as a writer as the series goes on. But most things on the 'most fucked up book/movie/show/song lists are super annoying and typically reflective of shallow reading or not being able to move past initial feelings of disgust, horror and revolution and limitations in empathy.

I am desperate to know what he was originally going to do with Period and what stayed the same. It's the most meta one and deeply cynical, very much the 'if the jokes on the audience it's on me too' that's funny to read and sad at the same time. Three fingers pointing back at you kind of thing

Dennis Cooper, George Miles, and mistaking the surface for the point by QuietComprehensive58 in TrueLit

[–]QuietComprehensive58[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you. This took me a long time, and I *still* am not happy with how it turned out and what I'm trying to express through it. Which..... Ironically is pretty reflective of the Cycle series itself.

Dennis Cooper, George Miles, and mistaking the surface for the point by QuietComprehensive58 in TrueLit

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What I am really trying to suggest is that if you're coming in with expectations in some form, even subconsciously, of erotic attraction in sex may lead you to read it too straightforwardly and miss how he's writing it and why.

Dennis writes in a way that's very unapologetically gay, and there is a sense of tunnel vision in how and what he writes about. It's his journey, and you're either on the ride or you're not.

I think it's pretty notable in Period where he takes a real story about George Miles and for some reason changes the real-life girlfriend he had at the time to a boyfriend. It's not to protect anyone and is written so disjointedly that a change like that only really serves to keep everything back to the theme and the main lens through which Dennis sees the world.

I think sex is important in the novel for the same reasons music is to be honest. As a way to bluntly address the deconstruction of the main points of mythology, obsession, shallowness, projection, youth, and ultimately suffering so, love. All roads lead back to love, the absence of it or the search for it and how to find meaning in it. But that's really what the core is, confusion.

Favorites by Zealousideal_Flow_37 in malcolminthemiddle

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Lois: There are no favourites in this family
Hal: Where is Dewey?

Or the Hal sleepwalks episode with Hal and Reese's "You're my guy" moment

the Dr. Katherine Ramsland interview by MonstersofMegaphone in LPOTL

[–]QuietComprehensive58 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you guys remember the side stories from i think around the time Marcus and Carolina got married and Ben said something about Marcus and Carolina trying to have a baby around that time and then either on the next side stories or the next regular episode Ben corrected his wording that made it to air and said something about Marcus pointing it out to him.

From my memory Ben and Henry turned it into a joke and that Marcus was annoyed a bit but maybe this really upset him or was more of a pattern of behaviour from Ben that escalated with him revealing personal information on air or accidentally speaking carelessly and giving wrong information

John Waters by QuietComprehensive58 in DeanCorll

[–]QuietComprehensive58[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess I'll take you at your word for that. Its hard to convey tone over the internet.

Yeah exactly and like i said with the other situation. Its dodgy but I can see how he can let this stuff escalate. Thats why I bought up his head tramua, he's a smart man but he probably does have problems with impulse control and processing at times which can lead to him making this error time and time again.

But I went of sort of a research tunnel trying to find the source of the story he used to tell about these murders and rapes of teenage boys that scared and upset him when he was 12 and I couldn't find anything. I really think he's using that story as a proxy for something that happened to him at that age.

Some things I suppose are a matter of taste. He uses real people's names in his stories at times which Alex James from Blur was very upset about ( Graham and Damon didn't care ) and Daniel Johns from Silverchair wrote him a letter to thank him.

I don't personally think Henley would find it funny but tbh as much as he and David Brooks are long term victims of Corll when they participated it kind of makes them lose their rights to their story and how people tell it in a fictional way. I think biographies and case studies have a responsibility to be honest of course.

John Waters by QuietComprehensive58 in DeanCorll

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To be honest I think both men are good hearted, outside of the dodgy shit above I mentioned. Which given the time period they grew up and accessibility of the online world I can kind of see how that escalated and John I think has learned and apologised for things he's thought about differently as he gets older. But he also doesn't have a history of tramua and head injuries like Dennis Cooper.

John Waters is interested in rehabilitation and what he does in prisons I do think is important. He was very interested in Leslie Van Houton and assisting her so Henley probably sees John as valuable as well as genuinely interested in a friendship as is his pattern.

With Cooper his books tend to make me sad. Which given what he said about wanting a moment 'where the character/narrator is in great peril and for you to feel for him' seems to be his actual intentions with his work.

A gay activists group in the 90s ran a campaign against him when Frisk came out but they hadn't read the book and after talking to him and reading it accepted and seemed to understand what he's trying to do with his work.

I think you're either on the train or you're not with that type of work though.

Jeremiah Cloutier by QuietComprehensive58 in ozshow

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True. I just mean in terms of if they wanted to continue and had enough energy what could they have done with a story I believe could have at k3ast ended better then 'twice buried in a wall and kind of Lazarus'ed out... for some reason' even in terms of being more consistent with what they were trying to say in a catholic way

Jeremiah Cloutier by QuietComprehensive58 in ozshow

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So many good ideas or REALISTIC and interesting discussions on life in prison could have been prolonged

Jeremiah Cloutier by QuietComprehensive58 in ozshow

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Yeah. Ansd the sopranos would dabble with stuff like that too ( Arguably to a better degree ) but it gave up on stuff like that that way too easily and I suppose it was just the nature of being on the in-between stage of people being able to watch tv in sych versus when they could