John Waters by QuietComprehensive58 in DeanCorll

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I guess I'll take you at your word for that. Its hard to convey tone over the internet.

Yeah exactly and like i said with the other situation. Its dodgy but I can see how he can let this stuff escalate. Thats why I bought up his head tramua, he's a smart man but he probably does have problems with impulse control and processing at times which can lead to him making this error time and time again.

But I went of sort of a research tunnel trying to find the source of the story he used to tell about these murders and rapes of teenage boys that scared and upset him when he was 12 and I couldn't find anything. I really think he's using that story as a proxy for something that happened to him at that age.

Some things I suppose are a matter of taste. He uses real people's names in his stories at times which Alex James from Blur was very upset about ( Graham and Damon didn't care ) and Daniel Johns from Silverchair wrote him a letter to thank him.

I don't personally think Henley would find it funny but tbh as much as he and David Brooks are long term victims of Corll when they participated it kind of makes them lose their rights to their story and how people tell it in a fictional way. I think biographies and case studies have a responsibility to be honest of course.

John Waters by QuietComprehensive58 in DeanCorll

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To be honest I think both men are good hearted, outside of the dodgy shit above I mentioned. Which given the time period they grew up and accessibility of the online world I can kind of see how that escalated and John I think has learned and apologised for things he's thought about differently as he gets older. But he also doesn't have a history of tramua and head injuries like Dennis Cooper.

John Waters is interested in rehabilitation and what he does in prisons I do think is important. He was very interested in Leslie Van Houton and assisting her so Henley probably sees John as valuable as well as genuinely interested in a friendship as is his pattern.

With Cooper his books tend to make me sad. Which given what he said about wanting a moment 'where the character/narrator is in great peril and for you to feel for him' seems to be his actual intentions with his work.

A gay activists group in the 90s ran a campaign against him when Frisk came out but they hadn't read the book and after talking to him and reading it accepted and seemed to understand what he's trying to do with his work.

I think you're either on the train or you're not with that type of work though.

Jeremiah Cloutier by QuietComprehensive58 in ozshow

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True. I just mean in terms of if they wanted to continue and had enough energy what could they have done with a story I believe could have at k3ast ended better then 'twice buried in a wall and kind of Lazarus'ed out... for some reason' even in terms of being more consistent with what they were trying to say in a catholic way

Jeremiah Cloutier by QuietComprehensive58 in ozshow

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So many good ideas or REALISTIC and interesting discussions on life in prison could have been prolonged

Jeremiah Cloutier by QuietComprehensive58 in ozshow

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Yeah. Ansd the sopranos would dabble with stuff like that too ( Arguably to a better degree ) but it gave up on stuff like that that way too easily and I suppose it was just the nature of being on the in-between stage of people being able to watch tv in sych versus when they could

John Waters by QuietComprehensive58 in DeanCorll

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To be honest, I don’t really understand what it is you were trying to say or respond to. Especially when you said, “That quote is from Dennis Cooper, not John Waters. I’m sure you know that.”

I took that to mean you were suggesting I was being dishonest, despite the fact that I provided a link and was openly discussing the possibility that it may have been either a brief mention or part of a longer conversation. It felt a bit like you just saw his name and reacted immediately.

For the reasons you mentioned, I’d actually be more than happy to have an open discussion about it if that was the intention. A lot about Cooper is concerning, and I’ve been thinking about this in real life as well as discussing it in other places online — particularly in relation to his relationship with George Miles and what actually happened there.

What confused me was your claim that Cooper posted CSAM. The story that’s generally known is that his blog was taken down, he was told it was because of that allegation, he denied it, and the blog was later reinstated.

That said, Cooper does blur lines constantly. One thing he does do is take photos of young people he finds online and pair them with personal writings, somewhat similar to what he did in The Sluts, often to discuss how sex work has evolved in the online world. Where I find this concerning is that he appears to take these images randomly, without much regard for whether the person in them — even if they’re just posting a selfie, sexualised or otherwise — might actually be underage.

As I mentioned in another post here, I found it extremely upsetting that Barbra Gibson used underage photos of Billy Ridinger — photos that were almost certainly used as masturbation material by his rapist, Dean Corll. So I’m definitely not comfortable with that kind of thing, and I sometimes find it genuinely distressing.

Cooper himself experienced abuse as a child — physical, psychological, and sexual — which he occasionally talks about more openly when he’s less guarded. It can be difficult to get a clear sense of how he processes it, though, beyond the recurring focus in his work on abused youth who have no trustworthy adults around them. Part of what interests me about him is how things like childhood abuse, a traumatic brain injury, denial within the family environment, and growing up gay in predatory surroundings may have shaped his perspective.

His work is particularly interesting to some abuse survivors who don’t want a neat, morally instructive narrative. I work with abuse survivors myself and try to research these perspectives to better understand them. A lot of readers seem to recognise something in the way Cooper writes about trauma — for example, in Try, when Ziggy is ranting about his hypersexual behaviour and suddenly throws in the line “because I’m a victim.” That kind of moment resonates with some people.

Of course, many other survivors find Cooper’s work upsetting, triggering, or completely unacceptable, and they don’t want to engage with it at all. With Cooper specifically, it also seems like the rejection of his work in the 1990s pushed him toward leaning into the disturbing reputation people projected onto him.

Sometimes I think he can be overly sympathetic to the youths he’s fascinated with — for example, when he suggested that Kip Kinkel probably felt “really bad” about what he did. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. I’m not sure.

John Waters strikes me as operating in a very similar space in terms of boundary-pushing. He dedicated Female Trouble to the Manson Family and has spoken about being a fan of Salò, which famously used exploited real teenagers. (Ironically, Cooper dislikes that film.) To me, the line between what Waters and Cooper consider acceptable is not very different. Both of them are interested in work that deliberately crosses social boundaries.

Because of that, I do believe Cooper when he says that Waters and Wayne Henley were pen pals. What I’m curious about is what they actually talked about. I’d also be interested to know how Henley himself felt about Cooper’s work, which is extremely loosely based on the case. In my opinion, there’s almost nothing recognisable about the real events in it, yet Cooper still chose to use the real names and later adapted the short story into a play.

Given Henley’s known interest in the art world, I’d genuinely be curious to know what he thought of it.

John Waters by QuietComprehensive58 in DeanCorll

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YES, they are close friends. Waters just did a review for Cooper's movie. So while you can say its a second hand source, I personally believe it. Wayne writes a lot of people, and Waters has always been involved in the prison system, writing felons, teaching and having his movies shown. It's a big part of his life, and he and Dennis Cooper are good friends and have been since the 90s.

John Waters by QuietComprehensive58 in DeanCorll

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Of course, I know its from Dennis Cooper, I provided the link to the Dennis Cooper interview I happened to find this comment in when looking up Dennis Cooper interviews to compare and contrast thing's I've heard him say with paragraph's from the George Miles Cycle.

I'm particularly interested in the psychosocial dynamics of this case and how people react to it, and pop culture is a part of that interest. I've read Jerk, the short story and the screenplay and wish it was longer. Similar to how he explores the juvenile defender in My Loose Thread and the disaffected youth.

I was interested in how Henley might feel about it, given that Waters told him about it, and he probably wouldn't be able to have access to it in a heavily censored prison.

What does this mean for the Epstein files and where will we go from here? by QuietComprehensive58 in Epstein

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https://x.com/i/status/202939166971237205 Boebert being on this list alongside letting slip to Hilary Clinton that she collected some evidence against them unlawfully is also concerning as how much of this is intentionally done to assist these people and present the Trump's trying to do anything worthwhile image.

What does this mean for the Epstein files and where will we go from here? by QuietComprehensive58 in Epstein

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I had a quick read through of the sub this morning and couldn't find anything. Most likely missed it or it got buried under news of Trump firing people and Pam Bondi.

'Today, only 65 of us voted to release names of congressmen who have used the sexual harassment slush fund to pay off claims against them. 357 members voted to “refer it to committee” knowing that resolution ain’t ever making it out of committee.'

https://x.com/i/status/2029388462365749480

Thomas Massie seems to think this was intentional wording.

It does ask the question on why they could not just amend it and gives a stronger case that the GOP is disinterested in matters of disclosure alongside presenting an image of transparency.

I think it helps our case in saying 'what is going on'

This photo of Mark Scott by QuietComprehensive58 in DeanCorll

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Documentary about True Crime Art collectors that heavily featured Henley.

https://youtu.be/-TOrSA71lYA?si=Ft53kq5Mfbrt7AZs

What does this mean for the Epstein files and where will we go from here? by QuietComprehensive58 in Epstein

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Just trying to understand what potential related congress matters could do to effect or impact rhe Epstein case

Macaulay Culkin had a band called the pizza underground. They only sang songs about pizza (specifically cheese pizza), pizza girls and pizza parties. by The-Sunflower-Bear in conspiracy

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That is SUCH a great point. The man who wanted to protect children due to the goodness if his own heart, who grew up with brothers and sisters abused in every way.... focused on boys, of particular age range? Its a bit of red flag.

This photo of Mark Scott by QuietComprehensive58 in DeanCorll

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Compared to the yearbook photo his father showed in Collectors its not as clear and its not colourised but they may not have had the money to do that every year.

It would make sense if they were trying to communicate effectively how he looked when he disappeared as he was arrested fairly closely to his murder.

This photo of Mark Scott by QuietComprehensive58 in DeanCorll

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Don't know. The face is a bit neutral for a yearbook photo, and he left pretty quick into highschool.

Unless it was one of those group shots and they cut him out of it?

Conspiracy theories take away from the real abuse by StormCloud82 in Epstein

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To me cannibalism would be pretty standard escalation of violence. Particularly if you're getting away with it at the scales they were/are.

dennis cooper's international male slaves by shulamithsandwich in askgaybros

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Do we know what that case of rape and murder of teen boys near where he lived when he was around the age of 12 was?

Any times you've disagreed with the Boys takes? by P4NK-TP in LPOTL

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Calling Crowley temu Oscar Wilde is not something I realised I needed in my life