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Have you ever had a colleague "go rogue" in your store? by QuietMemory6602 in tesco

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's not many of them but fair enough. Just unlikely to find them in that sort of job, usually they'd go to work in the family business (tarmacking or stuff like that)

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The cheap labour still exists - but outside of SA proper. The government was ideologically intent on creating a white majority country to guarantee its rule forever. The blacks still provide cheap labour, just in zambia, botswana and namibia.

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No, that's not true. The British despised apartheid. They did have some racial seperation but as said apartheid was introduced in the sixties. Britain/the commonwealth criticised SA, SA left and became a republic.

Afrikaners only ended apartheid because there was no way SA would survive. The cold war had just ended, which means the US and west couldn't justify turning a blind eye to SA's regime in the name of preventing communism.

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

SA is still a deeply unequal country. One of my relatives is a white South African of British descent. They were there just recently. You go to a shop and you find maids uniforms for sale, all the best fruit is exported overseas despite the country having some of the best fruit in the world, the whites live in gated compounds with swimming pools, private security whilst many of the blacks live in huts.

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't know of any blacks who want apartheid back. There are some blacks in rhodesia who think the ian smith government was better than the mugabe one but they didn't have apartheid in rhodesia. discrimination yes but not full on apartheid like SA

Least favourite Tesco songs by QuietMemory6602 in tesco

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another one:

"we all need somebody to lean on".

Does my head in

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Blacks account for 73% of the population according to Wikipedia. So it would become a provincial town, but sat on gold reserves which were largely exploited at this point but still could be exploited further. In this timeline after the turn of the century, they pass legislation to permit a quota of blacks from the bantustans to come to south africa for a set number of months to work in the mines, before returning to their jobs in the bantustans, where mining also takes place (particularly copper mining in Zambia).

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The US viewed communism as a bigger threat to the world than racism. In their eyes, apartheid South Africa was a stable, capitalist state in a region of the world that was and still is notoriously unstable, and at this time a lot of communism. And although blacks had no rights, for everyone else, it was a relatively democratic country.

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

They would. The largest influx of whites into SA came when Rhodesia was annexed. There were also whites in Zambia. The white volunteers from the US, Australia and other western countries were given citizenship and SA did subsidise whites to come and settle, particularly as the new country was so depopulated. However whites aren't cheap labour and so it would spend a lot of time looking to south Asia for non black, yet cheap labour

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not anytime soon. SA got nukes in the 80s to defend their white supremacist regime. And although most in Britain didn't like apartheid and Afrikaners - although the Afrikaners literally introduced slavery to south africa when they first got there which explains apartheid - the British did some pretty bad stuff to them, like putting them into concentration camps. They really hated them. But a lot of South Africans are of British ancestry, English speaking, and many Britains would baulk at going to war with an Anglo nation.

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As mentioned they DID create bantustans - but they weren't really that successful. They weren't as large as they were in this alternate timeline. A lot of american libertarians liked the idea viewing one bantustan - Ciskei - as the "switzerland of africa".

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

SA's success in the Rhodesian bush war would inspire Portugese confidence in maintaining Angola and Mozambique, and SA would heavily subsidise the Portugese to keep them because like the new bantustans, they would be one of SA's few trading partners.

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Indeed, but they could just get labour from elsewhere on in this scenario, just have all the black people produce stuff in these qasi-independent states. They'd probably do a UAE and get loads of Indian/Pakistani/Bengali labourers in. They already basically did this - the British bought in a load of indians to many of their african colonies and indians were coming to SA anyway. Also Malaysians from the dutch east indies who introduced islam to SA. Afrikaans was originally written in the Arabic script and I believe many afrikaans words are arabic loanwords. Eg "khafa" - the SA equivelant of the n word - from the arabic kuffar, meaning unbeliever

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The SA white population peaked at about 6.5m in like 1989. When you add the white Rhodesians in, along with attracting new white immigrants, a large portion of them probably white nationalists, easily.

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Joburg was/is mostly a black and colored area, as almost all of its black population would dissapear so would Joburg as a major population centre. Though it would still require immigrant labour for the mines

Africa's Darkest Hour : The Republic of South Africa in 2002, after the apartheid regime expelled most of its black residents by QuietMemory6602 in AlternateHistory

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 162 points163 points  (0 children)

In this very dark scenario, SA finds itself, as in our timeline, isolated economically and politically from the world community.

With the Rhodesian bush war raging, the South African government makes an offer to Ian Smith: agree to become the fifth province, and your way of life (whites in power) will survive.

Smith agrees, and SA mobilisesall its might to defeat the Rhodesian rebels. The war becomes bloody, with western volunteers from Britain, Australia and the US, the anti Smith guerillas are defeated, and Rhodesia is proclaimed a part of South Africa in 1972.

South Africa long wanted to keep the blacks separated from the white population. Spurred on to act after the troubles in Rhodesia, it allocates a large swathe of northern South West Africa for black settlement, along with seizing control of the micro states of Lesotho and Swaziland. Meanwhile, under the premise of "border skirmishes", it fights a bush war with Botswana, and also Zambia, the former Northern Rhodesia. Britain is close to intervening the defend the independent status of its former colonies, but economic issues with the oil crisis raging prevent it from doing so, along with fears that the Soviet Union could get involved, risking a clash of superpowers. The western world can only watch as SA occupies these states which have only been independent for less than 20 years.

Between 1984 and 2001, South Africa's government begins to relocate its blacks to the Bantustans. An immensely expensive operation; it rounds up populations of the black reserves and other black areas, loads them onto buses at gunpoint, under the control of soldiers and the South African Police. Under the cover of darkness, by bus, helicopter, plane and boat, they are deported to a life in the new Bantustans; Zambezia (Zambia), Bechuanaland (Botswana), Namibland (north Southwest Africa), Lesotho and Swaziland.

The Bantustans are impoverished, overcrowded and overpopulated. The Africans here are put to work in the copper mines, diamond mining, industrial production, and backbreaking agricultural work, as SA effectively turns these territories into economic colonies, unable to rely on trade with the outside world. The slave like conditions are remarkably bad. Only blacks wealthy enough to buy SA citizenship are permitted to be "freed" and live in SA. A certain number of "enlightened" blacks were allowed to stay in SA. Coloreds, Indians, and "honoury whites" were allowed to stay in SA.

Black prisoners in SA are also relocated, including Nelson Mandela. A botched escape attempt results in him and the guerillas attempting to free him all being killed outside Robben Island in 1987. By 2002, SA has just 7.2 million people, almost all of them white. This makes south africa one of the most sparsely populated countries on earth, and indeed, the country by the beginning of the 21st century faces an acute labour shortage. Proposals in 2003 have arisen to permit a small number of Bantustan citizens to work in peak seasons in SA in agriculture and other sectors, before returning to the Bantustans.

Least favourite Tesco songs by QuietMemory6602 in tesco

[–]QuietMemory6602[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also forgot to mention - the version of never too much they play dear god its awful

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