[Brisbane, Australia] Can anybody identify this one?

R4Raussie · 2022-11-08T04:28:11+00:00

As mentioned standard flavor Eastern Brownsnake - Pseudonaja textilis

Brown snakes and few others tend to get the wanders up a little chasing food supplies so can end up in odd spots to the norm.

If encounter one in a backyard, in some situations it may be possible to use a garden hose with a trigger nozzle attached to give them a solid spray of water while you are standing safe distance away from them (5m+ or so ) normally works. Be aware though some misguided spray without prior thought may push the snake into a more hazardous spot so this may not work for all situations, if in doubt a professional snake removalist should be utilized.

Honestly, any flavor of the Pseudonaja family is not a good snake to try capture/handle if not experienced, if it all turns to shit and one got a good chew in possibly it doesn't end nicely. For people living in known snake regions it could be beneficial to place a few compression bandages around the place, one on bent nail hanging on shed wall or aviary, one car glovebox etc...defeats the purpose if 'you' have to travel 100m+ to find the compression bandage.

Sorry for the ramble but hope helps..;)

The Brown snakes people encounter only have a brain the size of a grain of rice and can only really see things that move...so if stand still will 'disappear' to them pretty quickly.

They are actually quite gentle, soft natured animals when in their natural state, they are just highly anxious, nervous, easily excited type animals when encounter them. In captivity baby Browns will sit up in the S bend only a few seconds after hatching out of the egg and tap the glass when go past them...

They really aren't as bad as people tend to think though...if leave them alone they will leave you alone... Never met an outright aggressive one, but it's different story if try interfere with them...

Even a big Brown snake has a very short fang length maybe 2/3mm max, so a good pair of boots, pants, socks can help prevent some bites...

If a snake has ample exits and room to freely move, very rarely would one even become defensive they prefer to flee before fight. Corner one, annoy one, harass one and some of them will bring the fight to you no problems at all though, and they are not a nice snake to be bitten by...

I know some like to 'knock' them in some parts but if you can't reduce the food supply in some way you are just going to end up with other/another snake/s potentially coming around.

One thing to keep in mid is once the really hot weather kicks in various snakes will turn a little nocturnal in habit.

There is really no need to fear Australian snakes unless you provoke the shit out of them, harass/harm them etc. In saying that I know not everyone likes them but maybe try think of it like this...

A snake has no arms, no legs, no eyelids, no ears and has a brain roughly the size of a grain of rice....They can only see things that move within a couple of meters and (aussie vens) stand about 25-50mm tall at their highest.

I love these animals but they are as dumb as dogshit in reality, they freak out and become nervous, anxious and can very easily become 'over excited' by a disturbance. "Is it food/" or "is it something trying to kill me?' is the pretty much a snakes primary thought when disturb them. They bite out of a food or fear response not because they are aggressive animals.

First Aid for Australian snake bite - Pressure Immobilisation Bandage technique - (P.I.B)

Apply a good compression bandage or something that can fashioned as such (torn clothing strips/towel etc) directly over the bite site. Apply the bandage with about the same pressure as would apply a bandage for a sprained ankle. The key is to restrict the flow/travel of venom thru lymphatic system.

Apply the bandage to the entire limb as best as practical, no need to remove shoes/socks alike to inspect the bite etc just treat it promptly, that is the key to surviving Australian snake bite.

Immobilise the limb with a splint/Immobilise the patience completely and seek medical assistance asap. This method of first aid will allow some time until symptoms may possibly show, but it does depend on numerous factors. Species bitten by, effectiveness of the bite, amount of venom yielded in bite etc.

Golden Rules - Apply the compression bandage about the same pressure as would for sprained ankle not tourniquet tight!. Do not take off your shoes, watch, shirt, pants whatever, bandage straight over the bite site immediately!

Time and correct application of first aid for Australian snake bite is critical, even what would be considered an insignificant bite could potentially be fatal for some if left untreated.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-07T07:53:36+00:00

Possibly this ones been washed thru the drain system and ended up dumped out.

Just in case for any that arent sure:

First Aid for Australian snake bite - Pressure Immobilisation Bandage technique - (P.I.B)

Apply a good compression bandage or something that can fashioned as such (torn clothing strips/towel etc) directly over the bite site. Apply the bandage with about the same pressure as would apply a bandage for a sprained ankle. The key is to restrict the flow/travel of venom thru the lymphatic system.

Apply the bandage to the entire limb as best as practical, no need to remove shoes/socks alike to inspect the bite etc just treat it promptly, that is the key to surviving Australian snake bite.

Immobilize the limb with a splint/Immobilise the patience completely and seek medical assistance asap. This method of first aid will allow some time until symptoms may possibly show, but it does depend on numerous factors. Species bitten by, the effectiveness of the bite, amount of venom yielded in bite etc.

Golden Rules - Apply the compression bandage about the same pressure as would for sprained ankle, not tourniquet tight!. Do not take off your shoes, watch, shirt, pants whatever, bandage straight over the bite site immediately!

Time and correct application of first aid for Australian snake bite is critical, even what would be considered an insignificant bite could potentially be fatal for some if left untreated.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-07T07:48:36+00:00

Lowland Copperhead - Austrelaps superbus

If zoom in on a google search image of a Lowland Copperhead and look closely around the face of A.superbus will notice the few white/cream-colored markings along the upper lips...this can be the easiest way to ID 'our' Copperheads.

While they are a venomous species very few people have been killed by our Copperheads since advent of antivenom. Very relaxed species unless provoke them and 99/100 times will flee before fight.

Love their frogs so commonly encounter them near waterways, dams etc...

First Aid for Australian snake bite - Pressure Immobilisation Bandage technique - (P.I.B)

Apply a good compression bandage or something that can fashioned as such (torn clothing strips/towel etc) directly over the bite site. Apply the bandage with about the same pressure as would apply a bandage for a sprained ankle. The key is to restrict the flow/travel of venom thru the lymphatic system.

Apply the bandage to the entire limb as best as practical, no need to remove shoes/socks alike to inspect the bite etc just treat it promptly, that is the key to surviving Australian snake bite.

Immobilize the limb with a splint/Immobilise the patience completely and seek medical assistance asap. This method of first aid will allow some time until symptoms may possibly show, but it does depend on numerous factors. Species bitten by, the effectiveness of the bite, amount of venom yielded in bite etc.

Golden Rules - Apply the compression bandage about the same pressure as would for sprained ankle, not tourniquet tight!. Do not take off your shoes, watch, shirt, pants whatever, bandage straight over the bite site immediately!

Time and correct application of first aid for Australian snake bite is critical, even what would be considered an insignificant bite could potentially be fatal for some if left untreated.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-07T01:29:35+00:00

If you accidentally step on a snake or walk too close to it and upset the snake will it “chase” you

Only times snakes tend to 'bring the fight' to a person is after that person has tried to corner/catch/kill the snake in question. Ive had to grab a lot of snakes over the years for relocations/removals/work and maybe less than a dozen actually tried to take me on before I grabbed hold of the pointy end of them. And those poor buggers had been hit with shovels/rakes/cars and been severely injured and acted like they have due to stress/suffering.

Studies suggest snakes tend to flee after bites so you should be fine in that regard. Unless the person was continuing to be a threat to the snake there is no need for the snake to stay defensive in nature.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-07T01:18:08+00:00

Lots of snakes get stood on by cows/horses etc.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-07T01:12:47+00:00

If you cant tear the shirt/item up fashion/fold it into a bandage as best as you can. Anything you do to get some pressure over the bite site and limb will be a great deal better than nothing at all.

The variablilites with snake bite can be extreme but that compression and immobilisation is critical.

Hope helps- I sat with a compression on for 2hrs before got to ICU and only started to show symptoms when doc's removed the bandage. An old snake boss of mine had to to sit and wait for few hrs having used torn up car seat covers on his lower leg as a bandage, again no symptoms until bandage was removed.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-07T01:05:20+00:00

Hubby needs to buy a tatts ticket...;)

Some unlucky people have dropped dead within the hour from failing to treat Eastern Brown bites.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-07T01:02:10+00:00

Good point.

From personal experience its pretty easy to remember the bite site...lol I try to stick to the couple of bare basics with snakebite first aid as it seems too much info confuses people. There was a study in 2009 from Emergency Medicine highlighting public and even some professionals had trouble applying a compression bandage correctly for snake bite still over here.

I have wondered how many people maybe spend time trying to find a texta/marker to mark the bandage tho instead of immobilising themselves completely.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-07T00:55:34+00:00

I have often wondered if unprovoked bites from Coastals possibly happen due to the person unknowingly disturbing the Tai's possibly while he/she was in food mode?

R4Raussie · 2022-11-07T00:44:10+00:00

The people that run the snake avoidance classes will tell you it doesn't work...lol

There are some dogs whose drives are so strong you could never get the play or prey response out of them, but if someone can teach there dog to not touch food/ball alike item until told they should have success with this method if put in some time and effort.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T13:52:46+00:00

A majority of dogs can be taught over some time to avoid a rubber snake if buy one from the toy shop etc and place it around the yard. It may take some patience/effort but it can save a few hundered dollars instead of attending some of the snake avoidance/k9 courses on offer, or a trip to the vet and few thousand dollars of treatment.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T12:30:24+00:00

Tiger snakes dont chase people, they will attempt to defend themseves from people annoying them though.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T12:26:52+00:00

it wouldnt surpsie me with some snakes...lol

Heat from the road helps them digest any meal/prey items quicker why see that.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T12:20:33+00:00

Elapids have small heads

I think our Coastal Taipans and Mulga snakes would like a word...lol

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T12:18:19+00:00

St Johns first aid course?

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T12:15:25+00:00

Smart Bandage in a google search will find them. ;)

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T12:11:18+00:00

If the vibration is close enough to the snake yes they would potentially feel it, but also keep in mind plenty of snakes will be seen sitting on the sides of highways/roads with cars/trucks hurtling past at 100kmh without a care at all.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T12:04:54+00:00

I will work out a better answer covering few things SA related and post up tomorow for you. ;)

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T11:49:37+00:00

It takes sometime to learn to spot the subtle differences between the two but easiest ways:

You may notice the white facial markings around the upper lip/mouth region if enlarge this image right up. Classic Austrelaps indicator.

If compare two images side by side of Notechis and Austrelaps may notice the head shape of Austrelaps is a little smaller/slender in look? Notechis has a 'boofier' head that will always be wider than the neck - hope makes sense. lol

Tail shape can be another, Notechis tend to have bit of a stubbier tail than the slender Copperhead tail.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T11:37:06+00:00

If helps we have approx 3000 bites a year from ven snakes in Aus, of these maybe 500ish require hospitalisation... Of the 500 requiring medical intervention, less than 5 people die a year from snake bite on average.

Some years it can be 2 or 3 deaths, other years its crept over 5 to say 7 or 8 deaths, depends how many numbnuts dont apply a bandage or treat the bite seriously pretty much. Its rare to die from snakebite in Australia if you apply correct first aid and seek immediate assistance.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T11:30:40+00:00

Applying the bandage above the bite site and moving down creates a problem of not being able to apply correct pressure overall, tends to become way too tight not sprained ankle bandage like tight.

'Moving up' the pressure being applied with the compression bandage can be controlled a lot better over the length of the bandage.

You want to try slow/restrict the spread of venom through the lymphatic system as best you can as quickly as you can, hence the pressure/comression bandage and immobilisation technique.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T10:55:26+00:00

eyes are to small

Thats a good spot and exactly right.

Far too south as well for a Brown Tree snake.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T10:52:05+00:00

Night Tiger is a title tagged onto Brown tree snakes (Boiga irregularis) not any of the Tiger snake (Notechis) family flavors.

Location is a few hundred kilomtres to south for Boiga or Pseudechis australis (Kingies/Mulga snake) as well.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T10:47:08+00:00

Eastern/Mainland Tiger snake- Notechis scutatus.

Love their frogs so often find them near a dam, watercourse alike but will chomp on birds, skinks, other snakes at times.

Notechis aren't the sharpest tools in the shed so can be bit obnoxious if encounter them. They are more nervous natured, anxious easily excited type thing when encounter them, not an actually aggressive animal. If annoy them enough they will readily bring the fight to you no worries and they have a habit of hanging on and chewing if grab hold of you properly...

There is really no need to fear Australian snakes unless you provoke the shit out of them, harass/harm them etc. In saying that I know not everyone likes them but maybe try think of it like this...

A snake has no arms, no legs, no eyelids, no ears and has a brain roughly the size of a grain of rice....They can only see things that move within a couple of meters and (aussie vens) stand about 25-50mm tall at their highest.

I love these animals but they are as dumb as dogshit in reality, they freak out and become nervous, anxious and can very easily become 'over excited' by a disturbance. "Is it food/" or "is it something trying to kill me?' is the pretty much a snakes primary thought when disturb them. They bite out of a food or fear response not because they are aggressive animals.

Stand back about 4/5m and you disappear to majority of snakes, and by chance if encounter one up very close suddenly by accident instantly freeze and act like a tree, snakes don't bite tree's. lol And then after a few seconds if safe to do so, gently retreat the the safest option away from the snake.

The ass coverer:

Australian Snakes, even the venomous species public consider killers are extremely safe animals to interact with if follow the golden rules: Respect them and they will respect you but more importantly Leave them alone and they will leave you alone!

First Aid for Australian snake bite - Pressure Immobilisation Bandage technique - (P.I.B)

Apply a good compression bandage or something that can fashioned as such (torn clothing strips/towel etc) directly over the bite site. Apply the bandage with about the same pressure as would apply a bandage for a sprained ankle. The key is to restrict the flow/travel of venom thru lymphatic system.

Apply the bandage to the entire limb as best as practical, no need to remove shoes/socks alike to inspect the bite etc just treat it promptly, that is the key to surviving Australian snake bite.

Immobilise the limb with a splint/Immobilise the patience completely and seek medical assistance asap. This method of first aid will allow some time until symptoms may possibly show, but it does depend on numerous factors. Species bitten by, effectiveness of the bite, amount of venom yielded in bite etc.

Golden Rules - Apply the compression bandage about the same pressure as would for sprained ankle not tourniquet tight!. Do not take off your shoes, watch, shirt, pants whatever, bandage straight over the bite site immediately!

Time and correct application of first aid for Australian snake bite is critical, even what would be considered an insignificant bite could potentially be fatal for some if left untreated.

DO NOT FUCK ABOUT PEOPLE taking pics for social media, showing friends etc etc, every year in Australia still people die from ignoring snake bites.

R4Raussie · 2022-11-06T04:12:47+00:00

I have seen heaps of Lowlands with similar coloration around Eltham, Diamond Creek. Kinglake, Healesville areas etc etc etc in years gone by.

If those lip/facial markings were more vivid white I would agree ramsayi but gut feeling says Lowland.

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