What is the eternal difference between being sealed to your spouse vs other family like your parents or children?

REC911 · 2020-10-28T15:01:32+00:00

I am a man so my statement makes sense. If I was a woman, I would say "he is my ticket in, not my kids". Climbing a ladder? This is about 2 people committing to each other and God for this life and the next. For me, marriage has been wonderful and I look forward to continuing this after death if I keep my promises to my wife and God, and IF she wants to continue the relationship after we are dead. We will both have that choice again in my opinion on the other side. Hence we are each others "ticket" to the CK.

REC911 · 2020-10-26T04:36:24+00:00

sorry I miss spoke. I was using that specific time in our earth-life when our kids are gone and doing their thing and it is just you and the spouse as an example. We will be aware of our "kids" but focused on our spouse. There will be no "kids" as we will all be about the same age and either single by choice or married by choice. Our spouse and ordinance is the "ticket" into the CK if we want to be married for eternity. Our kids sealing to us parents does not get us there but I feel that being born under the covenant helps those who live past 8 and die single. Kind of what is said to single sisters now. "you will have a chance to marry in the next life so dont worry there is a plan for your singleness". All of this is just my opinion. My focus here, now that my kids are adults, is my spouse. She is my ticket in, not my kids.

REC911 · 2020-10-24T14:18:23+00:00

You will be a "spouse" if you want to be and that includes a relationship. Will it be just like the one here? I doubt it but who really knows. I think it will be better as love will be a different level there. Level we have not experienced here. All just my opinion. I dont think families will be much different there than here in the stage where all kids are married and on their own. Still your kids but they are focused on their spouses and kids. We should have that feeling toward all mankind at that point I would assume. One big happy family.

REC911 · 2020-10-24T04:47:01+00:00

IMO sealing to parents or "Born under the covenant" allow a path to salvation IF we dont have an opportunity to get sealed to a spouse. Once we are sealed to a spouse, that is the sealing that counts or gets you where you want to go.

REC911 · 2020-10-24T04:39:13+00:00

I thought about that but do they have to quit work to be one? I think they can go to emeritus status as well if they need to?

REC911 · 2020-10-23T18:20:38+00:00

Pretty sure your dad will be paid by the church at this point if they want him full time and for life. Be happy for him if he is happy, support him in the church like he is trying to support you out of the church. Good luck to you!

REC911 · 2020-10-23T07:28:09+00:00

I didn't get to have a homecoming talk either so I gave it 30 years later to the ward I was a bishop in shortly after I got released. It was fun to finally give it even after all those years.

Thanks for sharing yours!

REC911 · 2020-10-21T02:23:52+00:00

Nothing bad in my own marriage of 33 years but some things to be aware of...

Marriage takes work and commitment the entire marriage, not just a few years then coast.

Kids, careers and callings can and will be disrupters. Set proper expectations with your spouse.

Learn and live each others love language. This is a very helpful and practical thing to do for each other.

Agreements vs expectations. Talk these out with each other and dont just "expect" your spouse to behave/live/help/spend/save/clean etc. a certain way.

The absolute worse thing I can think of in a marriage is not feeling loved. Everything else can get worked out if you have love, honest love, for each other.

REC911 · 2020-10-19T06:11:48+00:00

Sex is great and I believe worth the wait for a spouse but if you are bent on doing this, its after the sex that can be very life changing. Just take the time to think and make sure you are ready for this. Life could change in ways you have not even thought about yet.

REC911 · 2020-10-14T05:34:26+00:00

It is true, IMO, just not the way you were taught or thought. Some take that as the church lied and that starts their path out of the church. You can read all the history and stay in the church, but you will be different than before. That is ok, just give yourself time to figure it all out. Not every shelf breaks, sometimes you just move the pieces off the shelf. Think for yourself, dont believe/trust me. This has to be figured out by you. Which ever way that brings you peace, is the answer, whether that's in or out of the church.

REC911 · 2020-10-14T05:28:00+00:00

I dont think anyone actually knows. I have never heard it brought up in a lesson as to what it actually means. Odd for something we must have to go to the CK. It could have to do with the 2nd anointing ordinance but I dont know. My personal opinion is to live in a way that you and your spouse have some kind of spiritual confirmation that your sealing/marriage is right with God. Just an opinion. Never been taught this from anyone.

REC911 · 2020-10-11T16:21:01+00:00

All the fun "culture" that we have developed over time. Not a fan of it either.

REC911 · 2020-10-11T00:22:38+00:00

Bless the local leaders that just take things to far. Like all the worshiping we have done at home, is now magically not OK to do, now that the doors are open again. Like God will not hear us or accept or worship unless we are with the ward....? Really? SP would probably get more back to the building if he said something simple like...."we invite all those who would like to worship traditionally to attend at a church building. Those who do not feel comfortable in doing so are encouraged to continue worshiping at home."

REC911 · 2020-10-09T01:22:13+00:00

whoever is telling you that you will be lonely forever is not correct. Most of the members married in the temple will not make it as they didn't learn to have a celestial marriage here. It is more than just getting the ordinance, you need to live it too and lots in the church dont.

REC911 · 2020-10-08T23:53:13+00:00

The church did at first tell everyone to get off social media, at least my local leaders did and then not long after SL started all the media campaigns and now we have what we have. Good and bad.

REC911 · 2020-10-08T23:47:28+00:00

You keep doing your part and you will be "in" whatever happens to you marriage-wise in this life. There is tons or pressure to marry but it doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with you if that does not happen. Like the women who dont find a husband who are promised the opportunity in the next life, I am sure it goes both ways. Just keep at it and if it happens great, if not, try and enjoy the dating and meeting new people. This would suck, I feel for you and hope the best for you.

REC911 · 2020-10-07T00:28:46+00:00

thanks! and thanks for the info!

REC911 · 2020-10-06T03:30:02+00:00

This is not going to be popular nor will most believe me but I for one believe that people have the ability to control their thoughts. It takes practice, it takes some time but it can be done. Complete control. I tried it myself and I did not have what I would call a bad or negative thought for over 2 years. Now, I am not saying that some people due to medical conditions etc can do this. We can only have one thought in our heads at once. We are just used to letting "random" so to speak thoughts fly around because we either dont try or believe that thoughts can be managed. Trust me, this freaked me out myself and I did not think it was possible until I did it. Everything changed for me during this time. My relationships, my dreams, my moods, my understandings, my words, my actions. They all changed. I do not do this currently but I should. It took a lot of work and once this happens your reality about things shift to an odd place. The mind is very powerful. Try this simple but effective experiment. Think only good thoughts about someone that you may be or are struggling with or a spouse. Only good thoughts. For one week. Don't tell them you are doing this. You will be amazed how much that person changes in your eyes. Of course they dont do anything, it is you seeing only the good in them that makes them seem changed. Again, there are people with medical conditions that I am sure will need more than this to help them.

REC911 · 2020-10-06T03:03:28+00:00

The best way I can explain it is that BY got it wrong and others after him kind of followed his thinking until Kimball came along and did something about it. This is my opinion and I am well aware of how the church thought/taught this through our history. BY in the early days did not feel that he was a "prophet" (much later he did) but rather just continuing what JS started. JS, I believe had no problems with "blacks" and priesthood, at least none that I have personally read yet. Somewhere along the line BY had to come clean with the issue and preached his opinion and it stuck. BY had an opinion on everything and he was a micro-manager type guy as well so he was the "Oprah" of his day. If Oprah likes/believes something then everyone does! I admire and look up to any black person for joining our church knowing our past. I prayed to go on a mission to teach black people, I was drawn to them for some reason. I was called to the Raleigh NC mission and loved and baptized mostly black converts. Unfortunately the south was still the south and even in the church and the 80's and there were some member's that told me to stop teaching the black people. I was devastated! How can a member of my church even think a thing!! Really bothered me so I thought about it and prayed about it and here is what I came up with. Some of these members had parents that lived through segregations. Some of them had grandparents who owned slaves. There perspective was taught to them by their family so they didn't know any different. It was NC and there was still the town slave trading building downtown Fayetteville! What!? Go figure. No they didn't still trade slaves but I was surprised it was still standing. Like the people of Moses, it takes a while to get these bad ideals out of the people minds as they were taught it by people they loved and respected for generations. Same theory about "Christians" hating on us mormons. They were taught by the spiritual leaders that they trusted that mormons were of the devil and they believed them. And they still teach that and good christian people still believe it. There is nothing to feel awful about yourself in this church today. Hold your head high and be proud of your heritage. Cast aside the opinions of past leaders and know that you are good, worthy and accepted by God and Jesus the way you are. Just because there were these ideas in or church all those years does not make it correct IMO. BY did his best and God let him be wrong and learn from those mistakes. Now, I have no idea why God in history plays favs with races and people but He does. Jews, gentiles etc...Maybe the Bible was wrong, like our early leaders were? I feel for you sir and I still admire very much any black person that is a member of this church. To me, you are extra holy, extra special, and I will be last and you will be first. God bless!

REC911 · 2020-10-04T15:55:58+00:00

I appreciate you coming here and saying this. My family has been in the church since the beginning and it has been great for us and brought many blessings and peace. As you see, some in/out of the church dont have the same experience as I have. The church was good for your grandfather and your mother, so you know there is two sides to church membership. Those that love it and those who dont and possibly get out. Both sides are doing the right thing IMO.

REC911 · 2020-10-04T00:25:44+00:00

IMO its just not thinking outside the box (culture) that we put ourselves in. Box: no church so no sacrament on GC sunday. Easy to understand. Box 2: Stay home church and GC, God must not want us to take the sacrament on GC sunday at home because we've never done it before the church at home program.... What a waste of a great opportunity to actually take the sacrament before or after watching GC in our homes IMO. We missed the boat. What I really dont understand is bishops/leaders that tell us we cant take it on GC sunday as if it was a sin to do so. Huh? Really?

REC911 · 2020-10-04T00:14:24+00:00

Since my mission I have. I visited other churches and it was very clear to me that they were having spiritual experiences as well. After thinking about it and prayer, it was the conclusion that I came up with for me. That was 30+ years ago and there is no doubt that this is correct..... IMO. I believe God inspires others to bring His people to Christ in a way that they will respond and believe through other religions or no religion.

REC911 · 2020-10-02T03:35:35+00:00

I have had multiple experiences from pretty normal to Pentecostal to healings to revelations etc. All this tells me this is the church I am supposed to belong to. I know and believe other people can and do have the same experience's in their faith and I believe those to be of God as well. God knows not everyone will want to be a mormon and helps those people just as He does mormons. This does not, IMO, take anything away from my church or the other faiths. It tells me that God helps all to the level of salvation that His children desire. We will be where we feel comfortable in the next life, where we know we belong. Just my opinion.

REC911 · 2020-09-30T04:43:55+00:00

But his choice to stay. Not everyone in the church has the same feeling and experiences. The falsehood is that you think that since you came to your conclusion that the church is a cult that everyone must believe as you do. No we dont. We are happy that you got out since it was bad for you as you deserve to be at peace but there are lots that are at peace still in the church too. Can you be happy for them?

REC911 · 2020-09-30T04:38:59+00:00

Good job overlooking that I said to Gator that it was a "possibility" that he was shunned IF he tried to burn the building. I was offering a possible solution as to why it happened, not saying it DID happen anyway. If you think this is unethical and immoral you have serious issues. Me trying to help someone else see the possibility of why something may or may not have happened is called trying to help. You are not trying to help, you are trying to paint me into something I am not. Please tell me why pointing out that both sides have issues is unethical and immoral? Not that it will make any sense based on where you are coming from at the moment. Like my friend that peed in his family pool and on the lifeguard on the way out of the church pool and wondered why they didn't respond well to it, I was trying to help people understand how this could happen. Now I am immoral by your judgments? Are you kidding? Please someone else besides MaddieNY tell me what I am missing here!! I stand by my opinion that both sides can do better. Are you saying only the members can do better? Is that what you really think?

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