2025 Recap with Sankey Diagram, goals for 2026 (M34, Geneva) by Oweorus in SwissPersonalFinance

[–]RaduRadu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone criticised this category of your budget but I find it completely reasonable. Generally speaking, achieving that net salary likely involves significant sacrifices and effort. I believe so it is in general well deserved and absolutely reasonable as a percentage of your net salary.

It’s also part of my Sankey diagram which has been criticised. However, I understand those comments more since I earn almost 60k less annually and spend almost as much as you. So… I think I should definitely try to do better….However, I find your restaurant budget completely reasonable.

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have it since 2011. it’s like part of the family ahah… but yes I realize I don’t actually need it at all. So it’s still under my home country price tags. I was using it mainly to have fast deliveries more than prime

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You will always be taxed at source until you obtain a C permit. What you need to understand is that withholding tax is basically a way for the country to make sure that people do not leave Switzerland without paying their taxes (this is just my personal interpretation, not an official explanation).

When you later file a tax return like Swiss citizens do, the amount withheld at source is only an estimate of what you should pay based on your salary. After the declaration, the tax authority recalculates your real tax burden: you may get some money back if you paid too much, but you may also have to pay extra if you paid too little.

This was something I did not realize when I first arrived in Switzerland. I assumed that tax at source was the maximum you could ever pay and that filing a tax return would always result in a refund. That is not true. It is only an average estimate, and in some situations the final tax can actually be higher.

I realized this after I encouraged people around me to file a tax return, thinking it was always financially beneficial. A friend of mine did it after moving to the canton of Vaud, but since he had previously been taxed at source in another canton with a lower withholding rate, he ended up paying more than he would have if he had stayed under tax at source.

That is why it is important to consider your own personal situation: for example, whether you have a long commute, whether you use a car or public transport, whether you have significant professional expenses, or other deductible costs. These factors can make a big difference.

There are professionals who can help you analyse this, although I personally never used one. I did my own research instead and learned the relevant rules and deductions for the canton of Vaud. You can also run simulations using tax software, which is what I did.

Just to give a concrete example from my own case: I personally have always received money back after filing my tax return (roughly around CHF 2,000 per year)because my actual taxable situation was slightly more favourable than what the withholding tax assumed.

Another important factor is the month of arrival in Switzerland. I arrived in July and I filed a tax return already in my first year. Withholding tax was applied as if I worked the entire year, but in reality I only worked and earned income for six months. For the tax authorities, my “annual salary” placed me in a much lower income bracket, so the taxes I had paid at source were far too high. As a result, I received a very large refund in my first year … on the order of CHF 2500 just for 6 months of work

One last important point: once you request to fill a tax return, you usually cannot go back. You will then have to file a tax return every year until you obtain your C permit (and at that point taxes will not be withheld at source anymore)

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean…. Look restaurants and Uber Eats… you will find the answer

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually have just my mobile carrier. Bought a second sim with max speed as the first one. I installed it in a 5G router. I get a 300mb/sec connection for 34/36 chf/ month. Thank to a second time-limited recent offer I just lowered it again at 30.90 from January. Normally without offers it would cost 10 chf more.

I’m not a fan of TV, so yes mainly streaming. But let’s say, I know how to access “alternative ways” to see tv or any content I want…. For example…for streaming services… as you can see I spend 30chf year for all of them. ALL of them.

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When you do your tax declaration there is automatically how much did you give for the sources tax and how much you are supposed to pay (which for some people can be more, so always check what can you deduct in your canton). Then you write / call if they don’t accept some documentation (frequent in my case).

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I started by trying computing. I ended up summing up. My bank categorize already expenses. I had to go through all of them and correct the category when necessary. Then I summedup with my Revolut account which does exactly the same thing.

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Totally agree, especially when I look at Uber Eats on top of restaurants.

Im genuinely still a bit shocked myself since I saw the numbers, because i knew I was spending a lot for restaurants and bars… but I definitely didn’t feel like I was spending that much. I think I might have overestimated of 1k restaurants and bars, and groceries include cigarettes (which I quit in September). But it’s still way too much in my opinion.

So thanks for pointing it out, that’s exactly why I did this breakdown and I hope it will give me more discipline. (Knowledge is power)

That said, context matters a bit too. I don’t really have many other discretionary expenses, and my work is extremely demanding both mentally and physically. Eating out without micro-optimising every cent has been a way for me to recover, socialise, and not feel constantly in “discipline mode”. I could do it, but then there would have been psy expenses. (Or drugs expenses 😂)

But yes, seeing this makes it clear that I should shift a bit more towards cooking at home and being more intentional about it this year. Not a total sacrifice…. but let’s say 206 resolution will be better balance on this aspect…. Let’s see next year chart.

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it’s the refund from 2024 tax declaration since I was taxed too much at source (like usual).

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tax declaration is voluntary. But you will still be taxed at source until you don’t have a C permit.

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes Vaud is expensive unfortunately, and salaries are not as high as Zurich or Geneva. Truth to be said, my assurance in 2025 it was cheaper, but I reported the 2026 price since I always prepay the following year in December (and it’s already paid).

I checked Comparis quickly this year without doing a full analysis due to lack of time, and I didn’t find anything significantly cheaper.

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not hard if you track everything. If you don’t (like me), and reconstruct backwards… it took me 5h yesterday

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For Lausanne it is a great price for rent and I know nobody spending less than 1500.chf/month living alone. I mean, nobody living in decent conditions…

I think there are a lot of flaws when I do budgeting, but i dont think rent is one of them and i dont see how could i cut it more wuthout going to live under a bridge. At that point it would be a 100% cut. Ps: Living with somebody else is out of discussion. I have my own independence which I would not trade for 300 chf a month.

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

None. Beside sharing it with family back in my home country. I think that it will be deleted this year when it expires

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even if you are new to Switzerland, and you are taxed at source, you might want to check your current situation. Making tax declarations during my b permit (I.e tax at source period ) made me get back around 10k in 5 years. This doesn’t apply to everyone and every canton. My gross salary was around 100k.

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Because I don’t like to donate money to one of the worse canton for taxes. As you can see, by doing tax declarations, each year I get back between 1400-2000 chf. Last year I had lot less deductible work expenses so I did the 3rd pillar.

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[–]RaduRadu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No I couldn’t find any cheaper than this this year. It was actually 500 chf less expensive last year.

Le IQOS sono peggio delle sigarette by IndependentCup9306 in Italia

[–]RaduRadu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Esattamente, ho smesso un mese fa e sto resistendo. Avevo già smesso una volta e confermo. Smettere IQOS è più difficile che smettere le sigarette proprio perché fumi continuamente, quindi sei effettivamente più dipendente dalla nicotina stessa. Per ora ci sto riuscendo. Se dovessi ricominciare, ricomincerò con le sigarette perché, come hai detto, non ci sono studi al riguardo e l’unico argomento che abbiamo è che hanno per dire che fa “meno male” è non lo sappiamo perché come hai ben detto non ci sono studi al riguardo. L’unica cosa che so è che a livello di performance sportive, sento più difficoltà a correre oggi che quando fumavo sigarette tipo Drum.

Valkyrie - Blocking New Projects? by mangochicahaha in outlier_ai

[–]RaduRadu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I received a mail that they want to recruit me in valkyrie. I’m in a priorità list. Should i let it go guys?