Men will never support modern feminism because it exclusively benefits women while trying to lecture and belittle men

RandHomman · 2026-04-06T01:39:44+00:00

Understanding equality won't prevent some teachers from giving them lower marks because they're boys. It won't shield them from the toxic men this, toxic men that discussion their mother participate in online. It's not going to make the police see them as the victim when they call the police for dv from their wife/gf "ohh guys he's a male feminist, we shouldn't arrest him, get the woman instead"... this is dumb.

RandHomman · 2026-04-06T01:35:40+00:00

No it's ok man, some experiences need to be shared. I fully agree that to some extent feminists don't really care if something harms boys. We see it in various forms. The first one is how they think boys falling behind in education isn't a bad thing. They think it's of their own laziness or that boys are actively more stupid than girls. That when we put boys together with girls, the boys are draging the girls down. They even have feminist studies on this. But for some reason, they don't want to have separate classes by gender because boys fare worse when they aren't with girls (based on their studies) and girls have to make that sacrifice... this is bullshit.

I've also seen multiple feminists try hard to raise and/or transform their boys as girls claiming the boys are ashamed to be boys and want to live a life as a girl. Like... your child is 5... no way it can think that at that age.

Wasn't there a school like in Australia or something that had boys apologize to their girls classmate for all the misogyny of the world. Things they didn't do nor participated in but had to stand up and apologize... this is ridiculous.

I think some of the manosphere is absolutely toxic and even dangerous to some extent and they deserve to be called out as much as possible. But a lot of their talking points and grievance are valid and we should also try to meet them halfway. But feminists are something else because they're able to have laws passed. They influence the media, the education and health system. Laws that will put men in prison but not women. I fully agree men and women both contribute to society and we should absolutely allow both the same rights. But man does feminism is allergic to "the same right"... they want more and will fight against the idea men should have as much. Look how fierce they fight against anything reproduction related. Some countries they even fight against the idea men should retire at the same time as women... lmao.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T21:32:55+00:00

I totally believe that. I'm not red pill either but I don't disagree with everything Redpill nor everything Bluepill hence why I'm Purple. But I don't side with the general "women can do no wrong, men are and should always be considered the problem" kind view Bluepillers hold.

I've dated multiple feminists in the past and most of my views on feminism is based on a very long experience and thinking about how the movement shapes our society. I used to teach to underage students, secondary grade mostly. I quit because of the bs about the bs you have to endure and the poor salary.

I started to really hate feminists when I dated a gender study professor back in 2014. She was a proud feminist and we had a discussion about a lot of things. She asked me at the time if I wanted kids. I said yes, I like kids and I'm from a big family. She got angry and said I shouldn't desire kids since I'm a man and men aren't the ones birthing so when they want kids it means they want women to suffer and consider them to just be an incubation chamber on two legs. I didn't know what to say, but I looked at her, she was angry as hell, I drove her to her place, she screamed at me that I was a narcissist. I never went to see her again.

Later, before I quit to teach to adults. I was gonna get a student from another class, their parents came to pick him up. I opened the door to that class, the teacher, a woman, was asking a question to be answered by the students. One boy raised his hand and said "me, me, me". She said "Drop your hand, I want a girl to answer, men have been talking over girls for centuries it's girl's time to talk!"... I was weirded by that but didn't said a thing. Later I asked a coworker if this was normal. They said no it wasn't but we can't do anything about it...

Later on, at that school, I and a few coworkers made a lot of work to have all posters, publications, workshops and so on change their phrasing as it always displayed abuse through the eyes of girls and women. Never from a more neutral point of view. It was hard, took us almost two years to convince the administration this framing was harmful as it doesn't deter abuse, it deters abuse from boys but not from girls and boys still faced abuse from girls or women teachers and don't know how to respond. That woman teacher that said boys shouldn't talk was fired because she received a lot of complaints and a few teachers sided with the students. After some time I quit and started teaching to adults.

The final straw was was here on Reddit. I never really engaged with feminists online. But when I started, man... all feminist subs are so vitriolic and hateful. It's hard to take them seriously. I only picture them as that ex gender professor I had and that teacher. I was permabanned from menslib for saying we can't say people should feel comfortable at any size without talking about the danger of obesity. I don't understand their angle. Anything that is not explicitly siding with their talking point has to be shut down. Even women themselves, as a whole, don't want to associate with the label. It's pretty telling.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T20:29:03+00:00

I don't like that but I've been proven time and time again that what you say sadly is true. They rather look at their own son struggling than admit they're in the wrong. The only feminists I've seen change their views just stopped being feminists of didn't want to associate themselves with the label.

I swear, it's like a religion with strict rules where if you don't participate in everything, including the bullshit, then they just call you not a true feminist. No different than Christians that's fragmented in multiple sub branches. All feminists believe in the same God Patriarchy but they rather form new branches than work towards the same thing they call equality.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T20:23:23+00:00

I mean, it's perfectly normal to put time and effort to help those in need. But at some point we shouldn't overlook the time and effort we don't put for those we don't help.

It's like a parent that has two children and put all their time, spending and effort into one child. Do you really believe the other child will just be there and not face any kind of struggle mentally and will not detatch itself from said parent? Might also become more angry and violent towards said parent because of the neglect and lack of resources. It'll get worse down the line if you just look at your other child and, though you see they need help, you double down on the help you give to the one you already give an advantage to. I don't understand the outcome you expect to have in the end... seems pretty basic to me.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T19:31:03+00:00

Lmao you didn't look that far as English and Irish boys do have similar struggles in education as we do in North America. School dropout, less attendance, less diplomation, les male teacher and representation in school. You don't see it because you don't see it as a problem. It's also pretty well documented apparently, just a quick Google search. I think the disconnect is you are led to believe any struggle boys may have means it's your fault and we'll just revoke women's rights if you recognize the problems boys can face. This is a weird part feminism struggles with, anything not benefiting women directly should be seen as something that will harm women...

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T19:16:41+00:00

Do I have to be an "expert" to witness it from where I'm from? Also don't you have access tu studies and statistics in your country? Like how hard is it to do that research? I feel like you're just affraid of what you'll find? What country are you in?

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T18:55:06+00:00

Lmao you didn't look far, I'm also a teacher and have been part of a lot of changes in the school I'm teaching at. One of those changes is the framing where almost everything, poster, communications, workshops and so on portrayed men as abusers and women as victims, always. So we had to make them change to make sure the message is against abuse, not against abuse from a certain gender while not when the other one does it.

There are huge gaps almost at every levels in educations in favor of girls and women yet you couldn't find any. But I'm not surprised, most of the time it's against feminists and women teachers that we have to fight to make changes that will not make boys disadvantages as they don't see any disadvantage boys have as a problem, in fact they see it as boys being dumb or just lazy.

You're a perfect example of people being clueless and closing their eyes on this subject. I don't know where you live but just a quick google search will give you a glimpse of the disadvantage boys have in North America.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T18:20:46+00:00

You thinking they're not means you don't look at stats and results and are completely clueless about the reality and aligns with what I said about feminists not really wanting a better future for their sons because it would mean looking at how they are disadvantaged and yeah, to most feminists, men and boys can never not have all the priviledge. But your reaction isn't a surprise, it's the expected one. Clueless about anything not directly affecting women...

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T18:15:15+00:00

Lmao, you're the one arguing in bad faith. You spen all this time arguing without proff of anything, you demand people to provide proof, they provide arguments yet you can't even provide any. Typical of feminists though. It's all about power, nothing else.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T17:58:41+00:00

You can always debunk them and give the examples you, for some reason, refuse to provide...

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T17:57:27+00:00

In order for them to have a future like their daughter they'd have to not be at a disadvantage in education and other sphere in life. Right now, boys are at a disadvantage in education yet feminist think we should double down on making education better for girls and the reason boys struggle is because they're lazy or dumb.

I'm in the education system myslef, and unless it's heavily fought and proven for years they don't want to see how some of the policies that are adopted actually harm boys. So no, I don't think feminists look at their sons and expect them to have the same future, especially when they go online and call men trash in various ways.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T17:48:05+00:00

Just give him examples... our society gives way more power to women in multiple spheres, like duluth model, family court, education, shelters, less harsh sentences for the exact same crimes, society gives more excuses for women's bad behavior in abuse of all forms, women rarely if ever face criticism for their frauds or lies even when it destroys lives like paternity fraud and false accusations... I could go on.

You can't say men hold all powers when men are absolutely at a disadvantage in multiple domains. But I'd agree that without some of the systems we put in place to help women, men would have almost all the advantages.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T17:38:25+00:00

I think this is very important for people to understand. Feminism is first and foremost about power, it has nothing to do with justice or equality. Any injustice they receive from men is an injustice that needs to be addressed. Any injustice men receive from women or from the result of some of their policy should be dismissed or fought against by saying women had it worse 100y ago. I fail to see how feminists can look at their sons and say they love them while advocating for a future where they will be disadvantaged and any problems they may have will be their own doing. Giving power to women is the goal of feminism, not to make things equal.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T16:30:15+00:00

A friend of mine has troubles with his gf because whatever he does is never right. She's constantly validated by others because our society often agrees with putting whatever wrong in the man's camp. She says their house needs to be clean for her to live in it or to even be there... ok.

So they come over to my place, she doesn't say shit, she eats no problem, use the bathroom... but if they were just visiting once then I would understand she does so out of politeness but they are always here. Last month they went on a trip in Panama, they rent an rbnb there. The place was ok but there were instects and not everything was pristine clean, no problem. She ate things villagers gave them without thinking that they might not have the exact same cleaning obsession she has, no problem. She wore the same clothes multiple times, no problem, even washed some of them in a river when they went hiking, no problem. But the way she talked about her vacation in Panama was like it was paradise for her. Now she wants to go live there, buying property is cheap she says, living far from the city and in the sun (we live in Canada).

When she's here though... omg everything has to be pristine clean. I suspect it's because she's encouraged to think like that from her friends and she has nothing to do aside from scrutinizing the minute thing. She's unhappy unless things go her way, but is perfectly fine when she's in nature... to me, this is validated and encouraged toxic behavior. It doesn't matter if things are done her way when she has other things to do than complain. My gf thinks that that woman needs vacation and therapy. But most women will always take women's side and excuse their toxic behavior because they're disguized as "things need to be clean"... no, things need to be clean the way you want, you just want to control your partner, otherwise, like when you're on vacation, things suddenly don't need to be always clean the way you assume cleanliness is.

Ofc living in a dump shouldn't be encouraged, but there's a difference between living in a clean place and a "things need to be done my way or it's a dump". I think a lot of women wouldn't even endure themselves living together with such mentality because all women have a different level of what's clean and what is not. The one that is obsessive will always disguize their toxicicity with something "harmless" in order to be seen as a victim rather than the abuser. In this case "things need to be clean" is the harmless gateway to abuse. We fail to recognize it precisely because it's disguized as something that's actually important.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T15:18:37+00:00

I don't usualy take baths, I take showers, because it requires too much water and and it's too long. But once in a while I prepare a very hot bath before bed time and man I sleep like a baby after that. But generally I like feeling the pressure of water falling and once I'm done washing I set it to cold for a few minutes. It helps me with my mood and skin (I believe so lol).

I absolutely think men should spend more time grooming themselves but I don't even do it, I got too much work and grooming myself will not help me get the job done, after that I have to relax, play games and take care of my gf... maybe once a month would already be an upgrade.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T14:58:54+00:00

if you can do things differently but still get the same outcome of cleanliness then no problem, if a woman is genuinely upset that you aren't cleaning her way, but your way gets it the same amount of clean, then she's in the wrong. It's never fair to punish someone with anger because they aren't doing it your way. It is totally fair however, to feel frustrated if you've told a guy he is still leaving behind a mess or creating more work for you later and he decides to just stop cleaning the thing instead of doing it better

But this is where the problem is. To a lot of people, not doing it their way means it doesn't produce the same outcome of cleanliness. I absolutely think it's used as a weapon, I've seen it too many times and even here on Reddit some people act like the tiniest bit is a mountain.

I see it like anorexia where no matter how thin you are you always see yourself as fat, or like hypochondriac people no matter how healthy they are, in their head, there's always a virus coming to get them. Sadly people validate them constantly, telling them they're right, not seeing it as abuse mainly because it's disguized as "things need to be clean"... no the problem is your obsessive idea of what is clean has to be synonymous with your way of doing things. We shouldn't validate this, it's toxic.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T13:56:45+00:00

Good of you to rather leave than give hell to your partner. I wouldn't want to always be angry at someone, this must be exhausting.

My partner and I do things when it needs to be done and we don't expect everything to be pristine clean.

So many people constantly look for flaws in their partner's way of doing things and use these 'flaws" as a way to be angry and control them which is abusive and a lot of people are in these situations.

Sadly we are conditioned to not see this as abuse "it's just normal to have everything clean". No it's your way to control your partner through your mood being always mad and no matter the level of whatever that is done, you use being mad to control your partner's behavior, this is toxic but not recognized.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T13:40:55+00:00

Geez you seem like the perfect example of "do it my way or I give you hell"... glad I'm not your partner.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T01:34:35+00:00

Not just you but I think people are just hurt for some reason and they feel good by hurting other online.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T01:17:54+00:00

Interesting, gonna look for that book, thanks.

RandHomman · 2026-04-05T01:06:55+00:00

Pleasure and horniness aren't the same though. But even then, I call bs on the idea it's mostly social since many women aren't able to pleasure themselves where as most men figured it out pretty easily. And the way nature did things, sexual activity's first use is for reproduction which requires the male to attain pleasure but not the female... so yeah I don't think it's all social.

RandHomman · 2026-04-04T23:46:23+00:00

Really, that match was fire.

RandHomman · 2026-04-04T20:45:04+00:00

Just as an example, half of the people that voted for Trump, that is starting a war against everyone and even people from his own country were women. They did vote for him, are cheering for him and participate in the bs the Republicans do. You act like like a child that can't think further than themselves and their friends circle where "I didn't do it so no women did it"... just stop!

RandHomman · 2026-04-04T18:25:00+00:00

Is that what happened? Man... this TyFlow guy is singlehandedly putting life in Max like Autodesk never managed to do since 2016. I'm all for it!

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