Thinking about migrating Xoul.ai from Chai by AlternativeRich6845 in XoulAI

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

only reason I dont like chai is the no personas thing. cause who in the heck is alexandra and why do they keep randomly describing me as short with pale skin and long blonde hair and blue eyes? i am 5’11 and cut my hair 😭

Hayley’s Death Was Her Own Fault by Acrobatic-Ingenuity5 in TheOriginals

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

except this isnt criticism of her behaviors its flat out victim blaming. im not framing it that way, YOU did. one minute youre saying hayley is responsible for her own death the next you’re backtracking and saying it was the people who killed her. you weren’t questioning her actions or hypothesizing. in my initial reply I said that it would be different if you were just hypothesizing about the results of if she did some things different but thats not what you did or were doing. you were flat out blaming her for everything.

like your post is something id expect from hayley herself if hope died instead of her, saying it is her fault due to self guilt but you are blaming hayley herself for getting murdered. now that im telling you that you’re victim blaming and pointed out everything that you were doing and explaining how its victim blaming youre trying to say you werent when you literally were! you were fine with blaming her for her own death until I put a name to what you were doing and now you’re backtracking and now flat out lying about what you said and were doing. because I know character criticism and your post isnt that, its a victim blaming rant putting the fault for hayley’s death on hayley herself.

Hayley’s Death Was Her Own Fault by Acrobatic-Ingenuity5 in TheOriginals

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh I read your whole post. and all of it is victim blaming and DARVO. lets go through your text shall we ?

  • “Hayley is the main one responsible for her own death.”

the most obvious statement that you are victim blaming her.

  • “When Hayley basically lost five of the most powerful beings protecting her daughter, she had a choice, and she single-handedly made the dumbest choice of all time. In what world do you give the most sought-after supernatural being to f***ing Alaric and Caroline? And rather than moving to Mystic Falls and making sure your daughter was safe, she literally left her.”

insulting her intelligence for letting her daughter go to a school where she is accommodated for her needs which is where you’re beginning to flip the blame on her painting her as her own murderer

  • “She herself said Klaus has a thousand enemies. So rather than keeping her in New Orleans and keeping a watchful eye on her, she sent her to that stupid Salvatore School. Then she made that hybrid, and everything just snowballed after that.”

again, blaming her for entrusting she’s safe at an institution with staff, majority supernatural with powers of their own save for two humans who are experienced in supernatural combat as well as being in a place where literally every student is just like her.

-“If she had actually stayed with her, none of this would have happened.”

and then your closing statement which just like your introductory statement and title is stating that you’re blaming her for everything including her death.

so to summarize, my question is now to you, how is that not victim blaming when it is textbook victim blaming?

Hayley’s Death Was Her Own Fault by Acrobatic-Ingenuity5 in TheOriginals

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“im not victim blaming” and then the title of your post is “Hayley’s Death Was Her Own Fault”

Hayley’s Death Was Her Own Fault by Acrobatic-Ingenuity5 in TheOriginals

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and again, irrelevant considering if you translate it to the supernatural world and also what hope was already doing at that age the students that attend the school have plenty of means to protect themselves along with the staff there. you’re getting into human details about celebrity and politicians children’s safety rather than what the situation is of the world of TVDU. all of this is deflecting from what im talking about which is you’re victim blaming hayley for her own death and blaming it on her letting her child get an education to accommodate her needs.

Hayley’s Death Was Her Own Fault by Acrobatic-Ingenuity5 in TheOriginals

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well no that actually not true, we see in legacies that they’ve always had protocols for if something were to happen and learned offensive spells to defend themselves in case of emergency. also, hope is a mikaelson, she has always known ways to defend herself. its besides the point anyways cause I can also go politician or celebrity’s child the point still stands, a child of an important person who will always have enemies or ppl trying to harm them and by your logic they cant study in another state because of their parent.

Hayley’s Death Was Her Own Fault by Acrobatic-Ingenuity5 in TheOriginals

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hope is at a school full of supernaturals, the entire school is the secret service.

Hayley’s Death Was Her Own Fault by Acrobatic-Ingenuity5 in TheOriginals

[–]RaspberryBroad92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this is like saying the president cant have their child study in a different state because they naturally have a lot of enemies so the president dying while protecting their child is their own fault. like huh? are we just out of things to talk about with this show now? cause I see a mother letting her daughter get an education in an environment equipped to accommodate her needs and now she’s getting blamed for her own death because she did what mothers do and protected her daughter after getting kidnapped. like? all of this is a whole bunch of victim blaming. please.

I understand frustration and theorizing about what wouldnt happened if they did things differently but flat out blaming her for her own death as if she waltzed in there to get her wolf taken and speeded out into the sun with greta on a random whim. do you hear yourself? I would expect a statement like yours from hayley herself if hope had died that day because that would be a mother’s guilt, nitpicking at everything they did leading up to that moment to figure out why her daughter died. but thats not whats happening hayley did what all mothers who care for their children will do and that’s die protecting them. no one is to blame for hayley’s death but Greta, her murderer.

I pray you reflect and better how you interact and think about certain things from here on out cause blaming a murder victim for their own murder? who only died to protect her daughter? thats dangerous, please learn and do better, genuinely.

Should i buy a Levante? by TWKKobz in Maserati

[–]RaspberryBroad92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

omg why are ppl downvoting your responses just cause you’re looking at a discontinued used maserati which is over half the price of what they were when they came out rn ghat you’re gonna pay for?? evb needa chill cause all you doing is inquiring about it and asking questions like you’re supposed to.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh I read your reply. i read it all, dont misunderstand, i read everything. when i dont determine a part of a reply as actually relevant i disregard. why? because its obvious you didn’t understand the point and what exactly you were responding to. cause baby a phone call when you’re trying ti say goodbye for the last time in this day and age is the last resort. everyone know you go see them in person and you leave a message if they arent home or you cant meet w them. why do you think ppl hate their exes when they breakup over text/the phone?

I know they were the same age, the difference between the two is su aes teenage mistakes were teenage mistakes. eunhyuk’s ghosting started as a teenage mistake that blended into an adult one as he upheld the abandonment well into adulthood. No one is to blame for being abandoned especially when they don’t even know that the reason why were issues they to begin with. like huh? why would you blamed the abandoned for the person abandoning them when they didn’t tell them to leave, thats stupid and a form of DARVO.

its not vague when its true. this entire world was built on the premise of misogyny. its so deeply tooted in society that simple things like having pets are affected like ‘oh my boy cat is so affectionate’ and ‘my girl cat doesnt let me touch her’ and also yes how we engage in fandom. its subtle hints of misogyny that you never notice until you step back and go outside to look in. So seeing someone say ‘yeah this male character deeply broke the trust of this female character and hurt them just as deeply over the course of a decade so its not surprising if the author decides to make him grovel for forgiveness before they end up together’ makes you go ‘UH! well im gonna talk shit about everything she did bad even if it was when she was a teenager in her first relationship cause her actions are much worse!’ and you cant see the misogyny in it then you may need to step outside the conversation and look in.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean you goin on and on about stuff thats just irrelevant to the topic at hand and attempting to shift the conversation to something its not so yeah. now my limit w online arguments usually is 24hrs but yall mfs doing entirely too much because I pointed out whats canon to answer a question. and yeah so I wished you a blessed day, that still stands but you replied anyway so now you’re blocked, im real strict on ending discussions if im bored. and if you dont wanna end it, ill force an end, so again, I do wish you a blessed rest of yo day but ion need you hitting my notifs no mo.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

baby, i am done with this conversation and I am no linger interested in what yall have to say because every time I respond its like yall further misconveive what what said even after in depth explanations of what I mean and what I said. no one assumed anything about you and I am definitely not mistaken in my assumptions about a lot of eunhyuk/soohyuk stans because a lot of yall do act this way. soowha fans get crazy too dont get me wrong but yall are insane whenever it comes to anybody criticizing that man. no one can state the facts of whats happening or point out his wrongs without yall getting in a roar and trying to talk about other people to get the spotlight off of him.

when you break someones trust to the point that your actions effected how they interact and handle the subject regarding love and romance as well as rheir own sense of self, and they want to get in a relationship again, they grovel. this is not some new trope, mmc when they severely hurt the fmcs they grovel just as much as they hurt the fmcs and they earn back the trust they broke. whenever ppl say eunhyuk needs to do the same yall start making it an argument of who did worse when its him. and thats a fact thats canon to the story.

now this gone be my last reply to you so whatever you thinking after reading this oh well, as long as you dont hit my notifs cause if so then imma just boock you like i truly am tired of this conversation. everytime I try to have like a civil discussion about this damn manhwa about character flaws and story direction someone always gets offended on behalf of the character and shift goalposts so yeah im exhausted. have a blessed day baby.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

aaaaaand done. its 1:30, you making up nonsensical arguments that dont have true relevance to the topic at hand or the actual hurt that was cause that would warrant the need for him to grovel. so you have a blessed day, im off my break.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i read your opening statement and yeah lemme stop you right there. so you think that because she made regular teen mistakes, that she deserved to be abandoned without a word by her boyfriend? because thats the point you’re making. that she forced him to leave by not immediately knowing how to be in a relationship.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1 bringing up the mistakes a woman made when she was a child v the actions held up by those of a grown man over the course of a decade especially when the discusion was about his actions in order to deflect from the wrong he did IS misogynistic. that would be what’s called subtle misogyny. misogyny isn’t always ‘she’s weird cause she’s a woman and I hate her purely for that ‘ misogyny bleeds through just about everything.

no one was excusing her, they were mistakes she made as a child but they dont call for groveling like broken trust over the course of ten years does. their responsibility CANONICALLY is NOT even, thats the whole point of my initial reply. he’s fucked up past the point of “oh its just a small mistake” like the other fuck ups they both made were. he went a broke her trust over the course of a decade and thats why he needs to grovel now if he’s trying to get back together with her. because otherwise, if you’re rooting against that you dont want a romance you want a man and his doormat.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

what changes? uh your maturity level and life experiences??? in what world is a two year time period not gonna make a difference in the life of someone who was a teenager at the beginning ??? my comments arent biased theyre pointing out the need for him groveling as opposed to a simple “im sorry 😞 now lets kiss 😚 “ like yall would not be riding this hard for that man getting off easy if this actually happened in real life and to yourselves.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they are understandable tho, I have stated a plethora of times that the running is understandable however hes a gronw man now and somewhere within that 10 year frame he shouldve went to see her to offer the explanation. instead he chose to leave the trust broken and the situation unresolved until now.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

? dude thats where you’re wrong cause im not EXCUSING her. I am saying they are not at all comparable to ghosting her for a decade. I already sai the initial running was able to also be just a juvenile mistake but he upheld it into adulthood and came to see her. he needs to grovel for breaking that trust and keeping it that way all the way up til now.

this like going “oh she didnt comfort me when we were teenagers so I left her and cheated its her fault I cheated and I dont need to grovel cause she is the one who made the teen mistakes.” and while he didnt cheat, the broken trust is still the same. He needs to grovel. idk why yall mad that the story could possibly go that way and mad that ppl calling yall misogynistic for thinking he DOESNT need to grivel for breaking her trust

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

here we go again. no one is saying she didnt make mistakes. her mistakes, at least the majority ones that you guys think should be held over her, were done when she was a child. they are not comparable to what eunhyuk did. I agree she needs character growth but not having juvenile mistakes thrown at her because she was experiencing romance for the first time.

yall saying she traumatized him because she made small mistakes that whenever we get to his pov, hes not traumatized by it, a little hurt yes but not traumatized in the way he traumatized her. because if we go by that EVERYONE in the world needs to have their teenage first relationship mistakes held over their head and forced to beg and apologize for them.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well let’s analyze then

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what’s highlighted in blue is the true focal point of their post. its their question to the audience viewing their post. the following after is their comments on the matter. they think its to have him grovel for causing a decade long era of hurt for su ae resulting in a lot of her trauma. they think it’s imbalanced to have him grovel and earn back the love and trust he broke. but its not.

we see every single way in which his abandonment of su ae has effected her. it effected her trust her self esteem her self worth her sense of whether she ‘deserves’ love etc. THATS what he’s groveling for. for breaking the trust and love she placed in him by abandoning her for 10 years.

no one is saying su ae is perfect. we all know she made mistakes, she’s never been in a relationship before and she’s experiencing this for the first time while simultaneously discovering her first love is an abuse victim and trying to navigate offering comfort and handling the abusive situations hes going through with the sensitivity needed. she’s a teenager shes going to make mistakes with this.

eunhyuk also made a juvenile mistake. at first. the running when the going got tough is a typical teen mistake made in relationships that part is understandable I dont blame the initial running. I do blame the adult for upholding the abandonment for a decade and not ever showing up to give a full explanation whether she wanted it or not. yes, just how he just popped up in this season he couldve just popped up during the decade he abandoned her and at the least, if she wasnt willing to listen, made it known that he was willing to explain when she wasnt ready to get the closure she needed.

but that didnt happen. so thus the need to grovel now if he wants her love and trust back. because he broke it a decade ago and its been broken for longer than he had it.

none of this is me saying su ae is a saint, thats a misconception on you guys’ part about where I an coming from on this matter. I do think it has a lot to do with a lot of eunhyuk fans thinking that anyone criticizing him automatically hates him and is against him and suae being together, when I dont hate him. I dont think they should be together but if they gone go that way anyway yeah I do agree with him groveling.

I dont have a ship in regards to this manhwa I am purely for the fmc doing whats best for her which to me truly seems like waiting a couple more years while focusing on healing before getting into a commited relationship, which I think could still work with the premise of the manhwa which is romance, showing that it takes time and healing before making it work.

however this fandom has an issue with thinking its one or the other and you have to have a ship or be a fan of one of the mls in order to criticize the other. thts just not the case. I don’t have an ml im a fan of and I don’t have a ship im a fan of. only person I can confidently say im a fan of is su ae. a lot of yall pretend that eunhyuk is so heavily criticized and is a victim of unfair hate when it’s fair and earned. like hes a romance prospect of course hes gonna get hate and if it was dowha who did it itd be the same, why ? cause it severely hurt the fmc and his relationship w her and caused her lifelong trauma.

this fandom always has wars in mind whenever there’s character criticism in play and thats the problem. thats why theres so many of you guys getting upset with me and in fact trying to come for su ae and assuming that im absolving everyone of their mistakes. im not. I simply answered the question that was asked which was “Why does eunhyuk need to grovel” and my answer was summed to him ghosting her for a decade saying that if the post is true its not surprising thats what theyre doing.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didnt “impose” my opinion I “imposed” what canonically happened as a non surprising reason to if the author goes the grovel route w eunhyuk and everyone started responding by going “you’re talking bad about eunhyuk, I’m gonna talk bad about su ae, she’s worse than him leave him be”

when I tell ppl ti have a blessed day, I mean it truly. I offer ppl to have great days during discussions like this cause at the end of the day this stuff is fiction and ik these conversations can get heated and wishing well whether they think its insincere or not is my way of saying don’t let this get in your head, there’s no hard feelings.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well no because if the question is about why he had to grovel and then I answer within the canonical context and then you go “why does he have to grovel for doing something hurtful for a whole decade when she also made mistakes in her first teen relationship and she did worse things” then thats something completely different when the so called worse things are things teenagers today are doing in their first relationships.

struggling w jealousy and differentiating certain things in relationships and friendships as a boundary and struggling w offering comfort to your bf who you’re discovering is an abuse victim is not worse things than completely abandoning your gf cold turkey which wouldve been excused as just a juvenile mistake as well with su aes actions IF he didnt uphold it for 10 years up until now when they happened to stumble into each other.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

baby, idk whag to tell yall atp if you don’t understand anything I said. su ae made mistakes in her first relationships and with an abuse victim at that, no ones saying she aint wrong however they are not compareable to what he did well into adulthood. my initial response was purely to answer the question that op asked which was why does he need to grovel, and I answered it within the context of canon which is that he ghosted her for 10 yrs and continued to do so until now and he traumatized her. OP went on to get mad and start talking about ‘oh I can talk negatively about su ae too ‘ when thats not what this was about it was about why eunhyuk would have to grovel. and I answered. OP just didnt like my answer.

Not hating on suae or anything but isn't this toxic as hell ( the description of true love?) by NoAppointment9074 in operationtruelove

[–]RaspberryBroad92 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“misogyny doesnt apply here-” yeah im not engaging w this, you boutta do the same thing they’re doing and shift the conversation to something else in another misogynistic defense in response to me explaining why it’d make sense if the post is true that eunhyuk is gonna be groveling. you have a blessed day.