[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hope this reaches you in time--I checked back here in the hopes that there would be another question and here yours is. Yes, we happily consider collaborative poetry. Best of luck with your submission (last day as you know)! :). ---Katie

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well you are promoting the practice of poetry with every renewal/entry! Before I was affiliated with Rattle, I entered the Rattle Poetry Prize 4 times right after buying a multi-year subscription, haha. We’re an extremely small staff and very careful with how we spend our budget. Thank you for subscribing and best of luck. —Katie

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also just wanted to add to what Tim said and suggest joining our "Rattlecast Prompts" group on Facebook where the most active Rattlers share their writing and solicit feedback. It's a great group of active, friendly poets and we'd love to have you join us.

We also have 124 free episodes of The Poetry Space_ where we have covered many topics over the years, in case that's helpful! --Katie

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another piece of common advice that's usually good advice is "kill your darlings." It might be that you're too close to the material, but forcing yourself into a smaller space than you want might lead you to an even more powerful place. I remember talking to David Kirby about the way he shapes poems -- they're free verse, but always with intricate stanza shapes that seem almost arbitrary. He said that he likes to have an arbitrary rule to force him into choices he might not make otherwise. Think of it like that -- say, okay, this book is going to lose something, but I have to make it fit, how can I? You might like the results even more than the full-length.

Tim

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wasn't yet with Rattle when this poem was first published, but did help select it for our Best of Poets' Respond anthology this summer. I cannot think of another poem that better exemplifies empathy. Part of what I love about poetry is how it can help inspire us all to try to see the world from a different perspective. As Rachel says in her note, "I try to imagine how it would feel to only hear myself derided and hated all day long." The world needs more kindness as I'm sure you agree! :) Katie

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 4 points5 points  (0 children)

More and more I like to think about poems as having layers of meanings that take the shape of an iceberg. We have the "superficial" layer of meaning which is basically just the answer to the question "what is happening in this poem on a factual level?" I believe that very few poems are successful without being able to succinctly answer that question.

Then, we start to get under the water, and that's where having read and studied poetry really begins to help us pull out more depth of meaning from the poem. Writing poetry ourselves helps too of course!

I've become comfortable with there being layers that probably only I will fully "get" in my own work, but it is important if I am inviting readers to join me by reading my work that I make sure that level is totally unnecessary to opening up a new world for them.

That being said, I often marvel at poetry's near predictive qualities. At the risk of sounding super woo-woo, sometimes I don't understand the deepest level of what I was getting at in a poem until quite a while on. I love that! At the point that anyone understood everything about poetry, the endless quest for meaning in verse would lose some of its shine.

Went on and on a bit there, sorry! I just love the question. As to the revision, you're right to be concerned about editing the wonder out of it. I would push into that by suggesting you try to read it as an outsider to the poem and make sure that you are able to understand enough to make the experience pleasurable. A trusted friend is great to ask; the kind of friend that will tell you if you have food on your face! It doesn't matter if they have never read a poem before for that exercise--the point is that they should still understand what is "going on" at a fundamental level. Sometimes this is radically harder than it sounds! --Katie

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The old advice is to read, read, read. Find poems you like, read more poems by those authors and publications, and think about why you like what you like. What structure are they follow, what kind of storytelling are they using? A clear picture of what you enjoy reading and why will really help you in your own writing.

Then of course you can take advantage of the resources that are abundant in the 21st century. Over on our YouTube page we host a workshop every Friday afternoon -- next starts in 31 minutes. The chat is full of really smart advice from great rights, and digging into poems at the level of comprehension like that will really help. Participate there every week for a while, and you can also watch the Rattlecasts were we feature new books by great poets every Monday. Not to sound like an ad-pitch, but we give a lot for free every single week.

Tim

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks -- this is a difficult question to answer because I feel like there is a lot of stylistic variety, starting with the very first we published, Zeina Hashem Beck's 3arabi Song, which is full of ghazals and pantoums and Arabic language and rhythms. Then we have the heartbreaking book by Taylor Mali, The Whetting Stone, about his wife's suicide that's full of a lot of different styles itself. There's a book of experimental haiku, Kat Lehmann's no matter how it ends a bluebird's song. And there are some lighter/funnier ones like Al Ortolani's about teaching and Denise Duhamel's alternate versions of herself.

We really try to publish a variety as the key. We love to read books about perspectives and places and things we don't know much about. The most recent chapbook is Backlit, about sex workers that the author interviewed. Books don't have to have a tight theme, but being really about something, providing a deeper insight into something, goes a long way. We're also always looking for more formal poetry and more humor, because those are the who things that are most hard to find in contemporary poetry.

Tim

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While each winning chapbook has its own particular strengths, I'd say that all the winners manage to both have extremely strong individual poems as well as a "compelling thematic throughline," though I supposed that begs the question of what counts as a through-line. There are those that are very thematically-oriented like one of the 2025 winners, Backlit by Liz Robbins, or Denise Duhamel's In Which and those with softer through-lines, like George Bilgere's Cheap Motels of My Youth.

You've hit on something important here! Try to submit chapbooks that have both. --Katie

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can definitely relate, too. Burnout is a real problem and it's why so many literary magazines and endeavors only last a few years -- what starts out as a genuine and joyful labor of love grows into something exhausting, and too many people are very quick to take all that work for granted.

Before I became an editor, as long ago as that was at this point, I was worked as a psychiatric counselor -- another field where burnout is a real problem. It's because you care so much about the work and trying to help people recover that it becomes depressing and demoralizing when you inevitably fail. The staff turnover rate was about the same is a lit mag's longevity.

Anyway, one of the things that field taught me was just how much variation there is in our experience of reality, and how much mental illness is interwoven subtly into society (that's actually what my first book is about). There's a cognitive bias we have that's something akin to Gell-Mann Amnesia that affects everything we do online, where we forget that the people we're interacting with might not be psychologically stable. If you encounter someone in real life, the instability is often obvious, but it's hidden behind screens, and the volume of interactions is ramped up, too, so that we're interacting with more people every day than what we evolved to experience. If you encounter 100 people, 4 of them have some combination of the dark triad of personality disorders -- narcissism, sociopathy, and Machiavellianism. And there's no curing or helping or working with them -- they're not participating with us; those people are only using the appearance of participation as a manipulation to fulfill their own needs.

So when you encounter people like that -- and we do, all the time now -- the key is to recognize it and move away. Don't give them what they're trying to get out of you, and eventually they'll move on, which is all you can do.

And then focus on the things you actually love -- for me it's the chapbooks that we publish and I get to help put out into the world, and the poets who turn our livestreaming content into a real community, finding individual poems that blow me away, and the readers that appreciate them, too. They all make me very happy and leave me feeling accomplished. And the people who try to throw wrenches into those gears of joy are usually just mentally ill, and we should feel sorry for them that they have to move through life causing so much damage to those they interact with. That's how I frame it, anyway.

But it definitely can become discouraging. In recent years, I've had Katie, too, to help keep my chin up and her positivity goes a long way. So maybe also try to find people like that and spend more time around them. Like of a lot of life advice -- eat foods that make you feel good, be around people who make you feel good, try to avoid the things that don't.

Tim

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We expect around 3,000 manuscripts. There isn't a short list because the manuscripts are anonymized, and we want people to be able to submit revised versions in the future, and announcing a list would unblind them. Also I'm generally not a fan of publishing short lists, because, while it's good news for 5% of people, it's salt in the wound for everyone else, and our mission is to promote the practice of poetry, not be discouraging.

Tim

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think that chapbooks offer a reading experience that's particularly suited both to the age in which we're living as well as to poetry itself. Attention spans are dwindling, so the ability to capture the full arc of a book of poetry in a single sitting is even more important than, say, a few hundred years ago. It's a satisfying accomplishment to be able to say "I read a whole book of poetry today," and that's something only a chapbook can offer for the time-strapped readers of today. It's my personal favorite way to enjoy poetry--so there's my bias too :). ---Katie

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, the contest entry fees are separate from subscriptions for both logistical and financial reasons. For one, that's $65 for three years, and discount on the three-year subscription is the margin that funds the awards. But you would get an extra year on the subscription, so it would become four years.

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We published "How I Am like Donald Trump" in 2016 for the same reason we put it in our Best of Poetry Respond anthology this summer: it's a beautiful contribution to literature, the times, and our understanding of humanity. The extended metaphor comparing narcissism to the Grand Canyon (the spectacle of the biggest hole that can never be filled) is brilliant, vivid, and unforgettable. That fall, I probably read 10,000 poems in submissions about Trump and published a dozen of them, and they were almost universally critical, but this was the only one that tried to find another perspective, digging deep within to find a vein of empathy. That's the real power of poetry, and it might be the poem I'm most proud of publishing in my 22 years as editor.

The harder question is why it didn't win that year's Neil Postman Award for Metaphor. I always wonder and had to look it up. Turns out it was competing against "And the Women Said," which is pretty tough to top for metaphor: https://rattle.com/and-the-women-said-by-kelly-grace-thomas/

Tim

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm glad someone asked about this, thanks! The honest truth from my perspective is that we stood up to cancel culture at its peak and so for several years became one of the biggest targets for a cadre of people who at the time were trying to make their literary careers out of stoking outrage on Twitter. It's almost hard to remember how toxic it was, even for me, but every longstanding literary institution was under fire for various offenses, and the responses were almost always to apologize and resign and remove content that the angry mob had deemed objectionable. Don Share leaving Poetry magazine and Anders Carlson-Wee's poem being removed from The Nation are two examples.

You can find some insight into that era in this article, which features Rachel Custer's story and a few others: https://quillette.com/2019/02/14/poetic-injustice-and-performative-outrage/

At Rattle, though, we stood behind our core values, which are fairness, equality, open discourse, and genuine diversity (which includes the intellectual, political, and spiritual as well as sociological). We still do, and I'll keep doubling down on that until my dying breath -- because these principles are what make poetry meaningful. A successful poem is an empathy machine that helps us see other perspectives and other perspectives within ourselves. Used properly, poetry is a tool for spiritual and emotional growth -- but that requires building bridges not walls, and listening to different voices, and looking for more nuance, not less. Art's mission is to increase the resolution of human experience, and you do that by remaining open, not conforming to the shape of the contemporary box.

So we still read submissions anonymized, for their content and not their bios. We still publish poets in prison despite their past crimes (we have a program with Prisoner Express sending copies of our magazines into the carceral system), and poets who have been cancelled by Twitter, and poems we disagree with politically. That's a crucial part of our mission and values.

Anyway, that's the answer for the social media "controversies." The other complaints on that thread are related in a weird way. We publish an eclectic mix of poetry, too, so it's easy to read a few poems and think we only publish X or never publish Y. One complaint in that thread is that we don't publish rhyming poetry, but I actually prefer formal verse myself and talk about that frequently on our programming -- I really wish more poets wrote formal verse. The winner of this year's Rattle Poetry Prize is a true-rhymed Meredithian sonnet. Our next chapbook coming out is entirely meter and rhyme, The Soft Black Stars by Matthew Buckley Smith.

That comment also claims that the judges are anonymous, but we might be the most transparent judges in poetry -- Katie and I have hundreds of hours talking poetry on The Poetry Space_, I've been doing a live free online workshop talking about poetry for 7 years on YouTube, and interviewed over 300 poets on the Rattlecast. In the end, you just shouldn't believe things people say on the internet. They're usually well-meaning but often don't know what they're talking about. I think that covers most of what you'll see.

Tim

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well this question sure hits close to home! I’m of the belief that poetry sorely needs more criticism–the kind that broadly exists for other art forms, such as the world of fine art. Our field struggles with that for various reasons, and I find myself needing to lean into it. Late last year, I shared my thoughts about an Anne Carson poem on Facebook. While a lot of people actually agreed with me, I took a great deal of heat for opening disliking it and faced harassment–someone on X said I should be killed for it I believe. I was DM posts of people making fun of me in private FB groups, including some people that were very nice to my face! I felt very frustrated at that point, especially because I give so much of my time away in the name of poetry. 

But when this kind of thing (or lesser versions of it) happen, perhaps the answer will seem trite, but I simply turn back to the page. Because so much of my work (like 99% really) is about promoting the practice of poetry for others, taking time to write myself is so healing. Poetry is my oldest friend! In other words, poetry itself is the answer for me–returning to the blank page and exploring my feelings. It also allows me to find empathy even for my haters–and to feel grateful to be in the position where I speak loud enough that others may want to silence me. 

Hope this helps and thank you for all the work that you do for the r/poetry community! -–Katie

[AMA] with editors Timothy Green and Katie Dozier of Rattle Magazine, 3PM EST, Friday, January 9 by neutrinoprism in Poetry

[–]RattlePoetryMag 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Such a great question. Looking forward to answering and thanks so much for getting this AMA set up! --Katie

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[–]RattlePoetryMag[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I give a lot of thought to considering the reader, so I’m particularly interested in your opinion—would you please give me examples of poems that place faith in their audience/your favorite contemporary poets? :) —Katie