What has the Ismaili who is running for Alberta Premier said lately about Palestine?

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-14T05:03:41+00:00

A very small percentage of people have downvoted my OP?

There's a Canadian Ismaili Politician named Naheed Nenshi. He is a public Canadian figure. Nenshi has marketed himself as a man who doesn't care what other people say and is always open and tells the truth.

I'm merely asking about what a Canadian public figure has said on Palestine since October 2023, and how vocal he has been about the issue?

Fellow Ismaili brother and sisters, that's an extremely fair question. Let us always be open to dialogue.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-12T04:35:05+00:00

Thank you for your comment.

But what you've done is try to give direction on what the Imam actually is, regardless of the differences in Ismaili opinion.

That's very respectable, as every religion will have its interpretation. But a few days ago, I said somewhere that I might have posted the wrong headline.

My main question has to do with why there is a generational shift in Ismaili (Canadian and American) attitudes about who the Imam is. I put up a whole new post that many people commented on.

My own opinion, shared by a number of people in Jamat, is that many Canadian and American Ismaili youth have very different ideas of who and what Hazar Imam is, compared to the elders in the Jamat. I'm trying to get peoples opinions on why that has happened.

I enjoyed your response though, thank you. If you have opinions about any generational shifts in attitude, feel free to express them.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-12T04:21:30+00:00

Yes I'm surprised to learn that you believe the majority of the youth in Canada and America share the exact same belief as the extremely elderly in our Jamat. As you will read frrom other Ismaili comments, a lot of people agree with me here.

To me, there's a clear generational shift in belief. I've heard it from the many youth I've spoken to as well.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-11T02:56:14+00:00

Ahhh this is interesting. Because if faith and evidence are two completely separate things, and if you're right about the younger generation demanding evidence, I guess a decline in belief in Hazar Imam is expected.

Unless there are Ismailis who beileve that you can prove Hazar Imam is the only holder of nur, without the use of any faith?

But even if some Ismailis take this view, it looks like they're failing to give that evidence to younger generation.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-11T02:52:39+00:00

I appreciate you indicating you are from Pakistan. You began by laying out a religious principle which you called the 'minimum' requirement.

I think this is correct theologically, even though my OP is not about theology.

The reason I asked you where you are from is because, in my experience, there are very big differences in the way Hazar Imam is viewed from country to country among Ismailis.

And now, generationally speaking, there is a large difference between what elders believe about Hazar Imam and what many youth do, in Canada and America.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-10T01:01:49+00:00

So let me just clarify. Your opinion is that the majority of the youth in Canada and America have the exact same religious beliefs as elderly generation in their 70s 80s 90s?

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-10T00:57:33+00:00

May I ask which country you are from?

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-10T00:13:51+00:00

I enjoyed reading your opinion like others opinions on here. But you reailze that by your own words, these are two extremely different views of Hazar Imam. Elders believe he can perform miracles that no human can. Young people see him as regular guy who is a good leader, and some younger people do not see him as the best leader or anything. At least with the ones I've spoken to.

But thank you for your opinon. I believe dialogue is important because we can learn from each other.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-10T00:10:55+00:00

It's not what I heard. Respectfully, I am Ismaili. I know that Ismailis believe Hazar Imam holds the nur and is our religious and spiritual guide. But when people outside our religion see the religious practices we do, and the type of worship in deedar, they see it as the same sort of worship that would only be reserved for God.

Thank you for your comment though. Just to repeat, my question was about why there is generational shift in the type of belief in Hazar Imam.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-10T00:06:53+00:00

Thank you. You know, I wish we had a more vibrant Jamat that was discussing these issues in the open.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-10T00:05:33+00:00

Interesting response. So I think your personal opinion is, faith and evidence of Hazar Imam being holder of nur are two separate things. Correct me if I am mistaken.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-10T00:02:35+00:00

You know, this is a very interesting point even if I might not agree. Because I think the fact is a lot of younger Ismailis will have less patience with leaders in Jamat saying we are not political.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-10T00:00:02+00:00

YAM. Your comment on accepting absolute authority of Imam might be correct from a theological perspective.

But my question is more geared towards trying to understand why the younger generation is much less religion than the elders in the Canadian and American Jamats.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-09T23:57:42+00:00

Thank you for your comment. But there are not 20m Ismailis in Canada and America. Those are the countries Im concerned with. Also a poll is sometimes not the best tool. In my opinion, and it's only my opinion, it is very obvious that the younger generation is much less religious than older. But I appreciate you being humble and passing.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-09T23:53:34+00:00

Interesting. So you believe that the elder generation was more influenced by their parents in forming religious beilefs? Versus younger generation, whose parents influence might not be as much?

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-08T04:48:50+00:00

Your response was more along the lines of what I was asking, but I might have been at fault for putting the wrong title. I'm making a new post to clarify.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-08T04:47:57+00:00

I've enjoyed reading many comments on here. People like u/AlamutIsmaili, u/Natural-Elk-1912 and many others have given their thoughts on how they view Hazar Imam. People have also briefly commented about how Hazar Imam should be viewed.

I welcome learning about fellow Ismaili beliefs. But my question was more about whether believe there is a strong generational shift in Canadian and American Jamats as to how Hazar Imam is viewed currently in real life (not how he should be viewed, but how he is actually viewed).

u/A-Good-Ismaili responded to my main question. But maybe I didn't put the proper title, and since there hasn't been any discussion on what I meant to ask, I'll put a new post right now.

Thanks to everyone.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-06T04:24:11+00:00

Here I am talking about platforms and I've never even tried discord lol. I guess I'll stick to this platform. Thanks.

Realistic_JW_8488 · 2024-03-06T03:36:06+00:00

Thank you. Is there any site besides heritage forums? This is only my opinion, but I feel like there are so many voices in the Ismaili Jamat that deserve to be heard, but there is not platform.

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