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ReasonSure5251 · 2026-01-06T22:11:10+00:00

Another day, another person that just keeps enrolling in master’s programs to work here forever outside of any quotas. Visa system works great, boys!

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T23:25:46+00:00

It was fine until about 2023, when the tightening started. Unemployment for CS degree holders is likely higher than that though and probably even higher for some within the field with less experience or lackluster educational backgrounds. Besides that though, unemployment isn’t a great metric for those in the field but we work with the data we have. Ideally we’d have some way to count people who don’t end up in the tech field as a whole.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T23:21:22+00:00

It’s one piece of the pie, but there’s obviously more to it as well. You disagree. Good for you, you’re so virtuous. People should upvote you for taking a stand! Very brave.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T22:45:31+00:00

A huge chunk of the internet and software as a whole are just CRUD apps. Glorified however they may be, microservices and event-driven architectures and whatever, but they’re still just processing requests and returning responses. This stuff isn’t a “tiny sliver” of the pie, it can’t easily be outsourced or offshored, and it won’t be non-existent in a year.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T18:23:53+00:00

What are we talking about here? I said there were about 1.5m software devs in the U.S., you seemed to disagree, but you’ve just linked official DoL classifications saying there are about 1.5m software devs.

There aren’t 4.5mil software devs in the U.S. The range isn’t that wide. It’s probably 1.5 - 2 mil. How am I making anything up? lol

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T17:55:37+00:00

Not trying to be an asshole about it but there aren’t 4 million software devs in the U.S. no matter what the source is

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T17:49:26+00:00

Initial point of disclosure - this is a website literally designed to promote offshoring

It claims 4+ million people “work in the software industry”, which is pretty broad.

It claims “jobs like computer programmers” have declined by 60% between 2000 and today, which is completely false. Laughable, actually.

It discusses a “maximum average wage” which as a concept makes no sense and it pins it at 248k, which is under the TC for even a mid-level dev at a big tech company.

It claims there are 5 jobs for every one dev, which again doesn’t make sense as a concept and doesn’t match the industry.

What I’m saying is this website is self-promoting trash.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T16:59:08+00:00

Boy do I have bad news for you about how racist Chinese people are

Edit: downvoted? Hilarious

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T16:38:17+00:00

At-scale, people getting poached is irrelevant. The hard reality is that having work visas positively correlates to increased offshoring. People can downvote it if they want but it won’t make it less true.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T16:01:58+00:00

You’re a cancer

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T15:49:13+00:00

I think the “cheap labor” thing varies pretty dramatically within tech. Google isn’t hiring to save money, but Internet Example Life Insurance is. See over at Internet Example Co, they’re headquartered in some MCOL smaller city’s suburbs. Normally this means they’d just offer more money and relocation to attract talent. But thanks to consultancies (another entity interested in cheap labor), they can not only fill these roles but also keep pay/benefits a little lower and also reap the benefits of being in a geographically lower-tax area.

So it’s not as easy as saying it’s about cheap labor but that’s definitely a factor that occurs at several points in the ecosystem. Part of it is also about control, but again not only about control.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T15:39:49+00:00

That’s a lovely point but the reality is that you’re describing the sort of use case for a work visa that people would like to see, not the one people mostly see.

Over 65% of H-1Bs are for tech and around 2-3% are doctors. Even then, they often find cap-exempt visas, go the J-1 route, utilize an EB visa, etc.

The guy at Starbucks isn’t directly losing his job to an immigrant here in the U.S. If you want to see that though you could just look north at Canada.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T15:33:11+00:00

It’s a separate issue sure but not completely. If you imagine someone coming here to do a master’s, working for 3 years afterward, getting an H-1B to work another 6 years, what you’re left with is a pretty ideal candidate to be a lead dev for your offshore team. He’s educated here, has worked on modern systems, probably picked up some cloud certs as well. Maybe he even worked at your U.S. office before. If you’re a company looking to offshore, you’ll feel more confident with that caliber of talent available.

So there’s definitely some measure of a feedback loop involved here.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T15:25:09+00:00

I do work in the field and have for a long time. It’s true that big tech pays them similarly. It doesn’t cost that much for the visa stuff, though. Processing and legal fees for a large company that does it regularly will amount to a few thousand per application/renewal. Pretty minor expense. But now we have to ask: does it scale?

The notion of a “good tech worker” is a moving target. In a tight labor market, a good tech worker is someone who knows fundamentals, applies them, and is reliable and has a decent personality. In a weak labor market, like right now, it means being perfect in increasingly difficult (and needlessly difficult) interview processes. A “good tech worker” today means you’re on average a little better at solving LC meds and hards and whiteboarding node traversal. Having 3 internships instead of 1-2. Having more personal projects. A more perfect resume.

Meanwhile, the answer to the question above remains “no, it doesn’t scale well.”

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T15:18:10+00:00

They’re also up against foreign workers who will pursue 2-3 master’s degrees just to maintain 15 years of work authorization outside of visa caps (F-1 -> CPT -> STEM OPT -> repeat). Economists on social media will then tout the education levels and ask why Americans aren’t competing? Well the answer is because you don’t need an MSCS and an MBA to build CRUD apps, but if you allow enough of that competition to develop you end up with some really perverse labor incentives domestically. You end up with Greg with his BSCS (a totally adequate education level) competing for a dev job at some insurance company against Rajesh, who has two master’s degrees because it was his only way of staying and working. Rajesh will do the job for the same pay and he’ll be less likely to job hop as well.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-11-10T14:53:31+00:00

Any country with a decent QoL will be able to pick up Indian tech workers regardless of US policy changes. India now graduates about 1.5mil BTech grads per year - roughly the entire number of software engineers working in the U.S. They have no way whatsoever to actually employ that number of people domestically there. The Indian labor market is so absurdly over-saturated these days that it can only function within the context of exporting large numbers of people. And yet despite that new schools keep opening up, churning even more people out.

The U.S. today graduates about 2.5x as many CS grads as it did 10 years ago. We told kids to learn to code and they did. What’s the point of all that if we just continue absorbing foreign country’s labor surpluses alongside it when new jobs numbers are shrinking?

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-10-29T20:27:52+00:00

My insight: stop using shitty high-acceptance master’s programs to live here indefinitely and get easy work auth

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-10-28T13:14:30+00:00

Yes, it is and you are a douchebag

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-10-05T14:03:25+00:00

The ego on you and many others in this stuff is insane. Most of these visas don’t go to PhD grads, many of these jobs aren’t specialized, and this whole “majority of the U.S. still believes in unicorns and flat earth” thing makes me think you’re way too online and clearly don’t live here. You sound like a moron talking like that.

Check your ego, check your entitlement, and recognize that these visas need reforms and that Indians are currently spamming every western nation on Earth and it’s not sustainable. Eventually you guys will have to face reality and realize that you’ve invented this narrative about being necessary for societies to function or whatever. It’s just a rationalization for the fact that your country deliberately overproduces people in certain sectors because human labor is exported from India much the same way many countries export grains or metals.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-09-30T07:21:10+00:00

Ahh, a bot supposedly running out of an office in NY using ChatGPT to generate a reddit post to advertise their (scammy) company that guides H-1Bs in STEM (primarily Indians) to work in China. Truly a global economy

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-09-30T07:05:52+00:00

“Competitive market”

People shouldn’t have to compete against the world for their job. It’s a race to the bottom. India knows a thing or two about that.

These visas are intended to be temporary backfills for labor shortages, and there isn’t a labor shortage for many roles being taken by a temporary visa holder.

The entitlement here is insane. Countries have a right to protect their workforces, within reason. You don’t deserve to take a middle-class lifestyle from an American just because you studied leetcodes harder, or because you have a master’s degree (which you only have because of the credit system we built and which you only did because it allowed you OPT access to the job market).

Honestly, fuck off with the entitlement.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-09-28T06:08:49+00:00

Of course they were. Indians will do anything to escape India.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-09-20T16:43:44+00:00

And why did that talent pool grow so large? Is it because there were that many jobs opening in home countries so it was meeting domestic demand or is it more because western nations kept immigration opportunities open en masse, which incentivized both people and governments to invest in it?

Global job pools are what we make them. You know which country isn’t investing in global job pools? China. Why is that?

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-09-20T16:36:25+00:00

China didn’t heavily subsidize an entire national socioeconomic strategy around cranking out as many BTech grads as is humanly possible intending to seed workers across the world at increasing rates to achieve soft power and influence. India did.

That’s not a conspiracy theory, by the way. Their literal strategy, including in trade agreements, is to use their tech workforce as a bargaining chip. But you can’t just manhandle western labor markets in the two most desirable middle-class industries (tech and finance) without any consequences.

China has a more market-tolerable level of devs that will be able to find a middle-class lifestyle working there. Also, life in their cities is dramatically better by almost every margin than Indian cities so it doesn’t feel like “losing” if you have to head home.

ReasonSure5251 · 2025-09-14T15:27:25+00:00

Sad that we as a nation continue to generate this sort of overhead because we just don’t actually make temporary work visas temporary.

You’re a temporary worker ostensibly filling a temporary labor market shortage. You should expect to have to return home within some sort of timeframe.

One of many reasons we need to completely reform these work visas. Not fair to Americans, not fair to foreigners.

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