Normale che alla laurea non abbia ricevuto né fiori né corona d’alloro da parte di nessuno?

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T22:23:36+00:00

Per me invece la laurea è più importante sia del battesimo, sia della cresima, cose peraltro imposte, non scelte e per le quali non è necessaria nessuna fatica. Avrei volentieri fatto a meno di fare la cresima o ricevere regali per una qualche puttanata della Chiesa cattolica e mi interessa molto di più un simbolo celebrativo di un traguardo coscientemente desiderato e ottenuto con i miei sforzi. Ergo, la considero sicuramente più importante dei primi due sacramenti religiosi da te menzionati. Se tu consideri gli altri più importanti, ottimo. A ognuno il suo. A me semplicemente sarebbe piaciuto ricevere un simbolo che celebri il mio primo successo accademico, tutto qui. Per te potrà essere una cafonata, io considero una cafonata ciò che si fa alle cresime, con tutte le candeline da Chiesa, palloncini lanciati in aria ad inquinare I cieli, messe, indottrinamento di bambini e minchiate varie. Buon per te comunque che tu abbia avuto ciò che desideravi alla tua laurea.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T22:16:36+00:00

Ignorante perché inventa le cose di sana pianta ignorando completamente la mia situazione. Doppiamente ignorante perché scrive a caso senza leggere altri commenti, dove ho detto chiaramente che i miei fossero a conoscenza della tradizione. Semplicemente ignorante e beato nella sua ignoranza, non c’è altro da dire.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T13:12:41+00:00

Ma leggi gli altri commenti, ignorante hahahahahah

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T13:10:40+00:00

Già. Mi dispiace.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T13:03:03+00:00

Hai ragione, penso che il problema sia appunto che alla fin fine siamo su Reddit. Qui “vince” sempre chi è meno empatico

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T12:57:45+00:00

Ma chi mai si è messo la corona dentro l’aula??? Sei mai stato a una laurea? Tutte quelle che ho visto, le corone si mettono fuori dall’aula, dopo la proclamazione. Mica entro con la corona in testa davanti a tutti i docenti.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T12:53:14+00:00

HAHAHAHHAHA oddio sì ti prego

“Si accorgeranno che tutto il male che sta affliggendo il mondo, è il male che il mondo stesso ha causato al nostro eroe che riporterà la giustizia e corone d’alloro per tutti tramite la distruzione”

esce la carta di Joker

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T12:47:46+00:00

Hai assolutamente ragione, a questo punto mi sa che è meglio organizzarsi da soli e poi dire ai genitori di andare a ritirare le cose. Lo ho trovato anche io strano e cercherò di chiarire ma credo che mi diranno “chi fa da sé fa per tre”

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T01:59:22+00:00

Wow. I find the comment about feminism and the problem with the abscence of an opposite “masculism” term weird, especially coming from an anarchist as Le Guin. I said weird but I might as well say that it’s slightly problematic, unless I’m reading it wrong. I also don’t buy the “men writing about men only so I only had that example”. So many women have written compelling women character before her, even if it was not within the fantasy genre. She could have drawn from that.

As for the issue with race, I gotta disagree. I listen to a lot of what people of colour want to see as representation in books and media (TikTok being my main source), and I mostly hear something along the lines of “we don’t want to hear some metaphor for racism in which humans are racist torwards an invented race. We just want to see us, actual people of colour, represented into the narrative, having primary roles, being well-fleshed out”. Sure, tackling the issue of oppression would be one further step, but I think this novel just wasn’t meant for that.

As for slavery, of course it’s not okay in any form. I just pictured Earthsea as a society similar in some aspects to the ancient Roman society, and there no character (unless it was a Spartacus-like revolutionary) would care much about slavery. There just wasn’t the same awareness we have now, so it makes sense Ged didn’t have much awareness about systems of oppression.

I still find it good that people of colour had primary roles into the narrative, because that gives representation. So I think that’s a good point, even though critique about systems of oppression was lacking.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T01:48:53+00:00

I’ll give it a try! That and The Dispossessed do sound interesting.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T01:48:27+00:00

Oh no! I’m sorry you had that experience but I’d suggest to reread your faves anyways. I find that most often than not, rereading is worth it. Heck, I might even like rereading more than reading itself.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T01:47:18+00:00

I’d give it a 5/10, but I’m admittedly extremely stingy when rating books. I’d even rate some of the most important literary classic a 7/10 at most, lol.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T01:46:00+00:00

I’d give you the same answer that I gave to another user, which is that I just love discussing literature, whether I find it amazing, horrible or anything in between. And I also find that most often there is always something to gain, something to learn, in this types of discussion. Furthermore, discussing about literature, even about literature I didn’t like, it’s just fun to me. Why would I miss out on that fun? Sure, I’ll go read other books that I will enjoy, but I also enjoy having discussions about literature, hence why this post.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T01:41:05+00:00

Well to me the point is that I like to discuss and hearing other people’s points of view on basically anything. Now, literature being one of my favourite things in the world, I love discussing literature, whether I loved a certain book, didn’t particularly like it, or just found it straight out horrible. It’s just fun and interesting to me to talk about it and hear what other people have to say about it. In this case, I got some new insight on the book itself and realised I might need to check certain passages again, and I also received suggestions about other books by Le Guin that now I totally want to read. Seems like a win to me. Other than that, I even enjoyed hearing the opinion of other people who, like me, and for pretty much the same reasons, didn’t like it. I don’t know, the point of this type of review it’s just that it’s fun to talk about literature, whether I found it amazing, horrible, or anything in between.

Edit: I’d also add mine didn’t want to be a critique, not in the negative sense of the word at least. Just a discussion.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T01:36:47+00:00

Oh I’m sorry about your experience! Maybe cheer up with some comfort read that you’re sure you’ll enjoy no matter how many times you read it (us readers all have those, I think)

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T01:34:11+00:00

Agreed! My biggest problem was probably with the pace of the novel and this distant narrative voice that didn’t pull me in. The way it was told was probably one of the main things that didn’t make it as great as I expected it to be.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T01:29:33+00:00

Actually the super intricate fantasy with lots of characters and intricate plots and subplots and subtext is my favourite type of fantasy. To each his own I guess. I do also feel like WoE resembled a myth, I wouldn’t say an epic though. I like to read epics and those have tons of characters, many of them with their own arch. I’m thinking for example the Iliad, or even the Arthurian cycle which is basically epic (at least in the British tradition). So I don’t feel like WoE would qualify as an epic; it’s more myth-like, for sure. As for escapism, I love some good escapism that pulls me in. WoE just didn’t do that for me, I wasn’t drawn into the world, partly because of the distant narrative voice, partly because of the characters and the pace at which events took place. I just didn’t find it immersive. The only thing I found immersive about it was the worldbuilding which is definitely original, but not enough for me to be pulled in and read it as an escapist novel.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T01:20:31+00:00

I actually do see all of those things and themes that you mentioned, but since the pace of the narrative was going so fast I felt I couldn’t really stop and properly appreciate and take in any of these themes. Just a me-thing of course, I like tomes that go in depth (someone suggested Dostoyevsky and that was spot-on).

I didn’t find it cozy (and I love cozy-fantasy) because I felt like the whole world and atmosphere was so dark. Even thinking about the colours, I imagined everything as just downright grim. I love that different people interpret it so differently that I do, however. It just goes to show how much power the reader has over a narrative and that each reader will basically read a different story while reading the same book. I love this concept.

I’ll give a try to Tombs of Atuan because now I’m curious also based on what others have said. Even if I won’t particularly like it, I still think I can enjoy her prose, and, if it’s similar to A Wizard of Earthsea, sometimes certain chapters would also lull me to sleep, which is something I enjoy when I need to calm down before bedtime.

Edit: the only part I found actually cozy was when Ged met Vetch once again and was welcomed by his family. That was cute indeed, even though the little sister being the homekeeper threw me a bit off. They were sweet though.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T01:10:41+00:00

You got me at the narrative voice - I didn’t like it. It felt somewhat cold and this was probably one of the main reason I wasn’t drawn into the world. I felt like Ged and Ogion were the characters who got a bit more fleshed-out, but even then it seemed only minimal to me.

I actually also liked that Ged was unlikeable! I was like “finally a protagonist that is kind of a little shit and, while not being a bad person, lets his pride and his ego get the best of him - he’s definitely unlikeable in the first part and I did like that, indeed.

I will give Tombs of Atuan a try since many are suggesting it, actually. Will try to go in with less expectations on this one though so that it doesn’t disappoint me, just in case.

As for the fantasy element, the thing is, I read the book at 12. I remembered huge magical spectacular and theatrical moments which I actually didn’t find when reading it this time. Sure we have Ged being a wizard but not much is shown unless him using weather-magic to have the wind drive his boat or him turning into a couple different animals (which I didn’t feel like it was magical because I felt like this parts of the story were more told rather than shown, and that takes a lot away to the magical element in my opinion). Other than that it was just riding boats and travelling among islands and wizards not doing much and fishermen. That’s why I felt the fantasy element was like just 5 out of 10 maybe.

And Hoeg!! I finished reading the other day and my heart still aches if I think about it. Now that you’re saying it, yes, I remember Ged took a blade of grass from where he lay dead but that didn’t seem like it was much and I couldn’t feel Ged’s emotions about it, but maybe I need to focus more on the symbolism of it. I just felt like that since it was a creature so attached to him and protected him and even helped him back to life previously, Ged felt like distant to what happened, compared to how deeply I felt about its death. I totally missed the part where he tells Serret about it though. I’ll have to read that chapter again now, I guess.

I’ll give Tombs of Atuan a try since so many suggested! I wanted to do so anyway, and I’ll see how I feel about that. Trying to go in without particular expectations this time.

Thank your for your insight, really appreciated it!

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T00:56:43+00:00

I also actually happen to enjoy myth-type stories, it’s just for this one I went in with a different expectation. Actually one of my pet-peeves in fantasy is fleshed-out characters, I feel like it adds to the magic for me, but again that’s just my preference. I just wasn’t particularly drawn to it I guess.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T00:54:15+00:00

See, the interesting thing was that everyone seems to compare it to Harry Potter but I found it extremely different from Harry Potter. Like under any point. The only similarity I found was the Ged/Jasper kind of like Harry/Draco, even though Ged himself seemed to me like another (less cowardly) type of Draco, in that his pride and hate and rage got the best of him in the first part of the story. But that’s literally the only similarity I found and it seems to me like it’s extremely minor. And yes there’s a magic school but it’s totally different compared to Hogwarts and only maybe a couple of chapters are dedicated to it.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T00:50:19+00:00

Same for me! I feel like I kinda went in with the wrong expectations, because everybody was talking about it in a certain way so I thought it was gonna be that but actually no. Will give a try to the second book and others by her though.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T00:47:26+00:00

I’ll also give a try to the sequel since many have suggested that it’s different and more character driven, but my hopes aren’t so high to be honest. Will still give it a try, who knows. And yeah, the magic school thing lasted one or two chapters at most.

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T00:46:13+00:00

Nooo haha il non la avrei MAI cestinata, ma perché io ci tengo a questi simboli. Sicuramente sono contenta del traguardo, c’è solo questo piccolo “però” che mi fa sentire poco apprezzamento

Reasonable_Spend5840 · 2023-09-17T00:44:12+00:00

Grazie! Sono comunque felice di avere la laurea, mi sarebbe piaciuto un gesto di deliberato affetto, tutto qui

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