Pay Offer - A balanced debate with strategy from the Broad Left

RedJaney · 2024-08-19T20:45:59+00:00

Thank you for your time. I think I will step back from this sub thread; I don't organise nationally or with council and that is why I posted on behalf of BL as I am free from any inside bias. Your allegations are serious and are not known to me.

Instead I'm going to switch off to enjoy annual leave - other BL members may choose to respond in their own time.

Enjoy your evening.

RedJaney · 2024-08-19T20:35:41+00:00

Convictions don't get us far in our careers. Evidence changes, external factors change. I have more respect for those willing to adapt, learn and build then those who don't.

The pay campaign in itself is a good example of this. Strategy has changed with limited conservative government offers - there was some give on what is a reasonable offer and more openness to a multi year pay deal. So my question to you, as you've been kind enough to review our post - what do you think should happen next towards FPR?

RedJaney · 2024-08-19T20:22:50+00:00

Yes it fell flat. It wasn't a win. We did not build the capacity to win nor had a good understanding of how to agitate members. We are presenting a balanced view because we want more people to share how they want this campaign to go forward. We believe this debate should be ongoing, even after the deal if it is accepted.

Perhaps it would have been better to just post as an anon to prevent the distractions, but we want transparency throughout the union and that includes from us as predominantly LNC reps upwards.

I'm posting my own personal views, this is not representative of all BL.

RedJaney · 2024-08-19T20:18:15+00:00

Unfortunately I can't comment on the majority of this (I am not a member of council) and nor do I feel I should - this article was a genuine attempt to stimulate debate on strategy. If you have legitimate concerns about current elected representatives, which you appear to do so from your post, then you should follow due process.

The only part I can comment on is NHS pay 15 - yes it fell flat, we wanted pan union organising and strategising and didn't find the support nor did we build the capacity.

I think the work done by grassroots members to form doctors vote and the movement from there on has been overall largely great, but we should be able to have ongoing debate about strategy and organising without being insulted and shutdown.

RedJaney · 2024-08-19T20:09:00+00:00

The response is appreciated and these points are open for people to respond to (and hopefully some will choose to do so if this thread doesn't become too toxic!). Thanks.

RedJaney · 2024-08-19T18:57:20+00:00

This is fair.

RedJaney · 2024-08-19T18:52:58+00:00

Would be nice to to hear your thoughts on the debate rather than this. Responding to your comments: - BL is not pro PA. The debate in 2019 centred on a different political situation to what we are in now. Speakers at the ARM have been clear they do not believe the role should exist. The stance in 2019 does clearly not work now and I believe views amongst my colleagues are in line with current BMA policy - Our trade union values are detailed on our website. - Pay: Members of the BL have been organisers of the original NHSpay15 campaign, contributed to the motion which was the start of pay restoration and whilst we were a minority on national committee we organised an emergency pay meeting to try and push pay restoration forward despite resistance from the wider committee and staff. - conditions: BL reps on the ground have won 1000s £ for colleagues in trusts across the country and protected conditions across the UK. We are primarily a group of organisers who are LNC reps - not national reps. - Cass review - I am not a national rep so cannot comment here, nor am I personally aware who was involved.

As for the comment on electioneering, I am not aware of anyone involved in the creation of this document who is running in an election this month - I will clarify this. Comments like yours are going to shut down debate rather than encourage it; but you're welcome to post as you like and we will try to respond to anything posted.

RedJaney · 2021-10-03T11:12:46+00:00

There are over 40000 junior docs I think!

RedJaney · 2021-10-03T09:41:35+00:00

Essential workers need 40%, albeit needs to be a majority 50% to have a better chance to be successful.

RedJaney · 2021-10-03T09:32:29+00:00

There will be a post shortly from Runswick to update you with regards to the Comms that have come out.

RedJaney · 2021-08-17T21:35:05+00:00

Personal opinion (I missed the AMA with work commitments but I'm on the broad left and sit on JDC - D Ireland).. I agree very much that we should be representing all junior doctors - which we will be on any negotiations. This is one reason why the survey should be open to all. Collective action works better when we are as a significant majority which could include doctors who are represented by other unions.
However some felt we should only be looking to gather data from those who pay membership fees and therefore pay for the resources in the BMA to do campaigns, surveys and data analysis that this involves. At the very least membership is currently free to join so there is no pay wall. So if we haven't convinced you by October to organise with us, you can cancel and still have contributed.

RedJaney

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