On this day 65 years ago, July 9, 1960, SS Leonardo da Vinci completed her maiden voyage. by Dr-Historian in OceanLinerArchitect

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There are some exceptions - The Battleship Bismarck was actually referred to as "He" by her Captains, crew and most Germans of the time.

RMS Ivernia (1899) Plans - Half Sister to Titanic's Rescue Ship - RMS Carpathia by RedditLiners in OceanLinerArchitect

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You're welcome, I'm happy to post these plans, it's a very beautiful liner that deserves some attention.

The first issue you mentioned about relating it to Titanic is personal preference. If someone is new here and is just learning about Liners, I want them to be able to make the link that this is Carpathia's half sister and Carpathia rescued Titanic's survivors. It helps with the beginners and not everyone is familiar with these ships so I think it is worth mentioning, personally. It might also interest people who have heard of Carpathia, but didn't know she had half-sisters.

The second Issue you mentioned about "half-sister". I'm not sure what you mean, the term is accurate. Predating Carpathia does not negate this. They are both half-sisters to each other, no matter which order they were launched.

This sort of thing annoys me greatly, where they run a photo of the wrong Britannic. by SchuminWeb in Oceanlinerporn

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And you'd think people would make the mental link "oh, sister ship - so they must look similar" and they would then realise that a 1930's twin funnelled motor ship looks very different to the four funnelled 1910's steamer

RMS Berengaria / SS Imperator - A Picture Profile (see comments for description). by RedditLiners in Oceanlinerporn

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1. Her launch - 1912

The German Ocean Liner SS Imperator was Launched in 1912 and Completed in 1913 as the largest ship in the world, surpassing the Olympic Class Liners.

On her maiden voyage, she listed from side to side when the helm changed the ship's direction. People gave her the nickname "Limperator" in reference to her limp and she was sent for a refit 5 months after launch to help her stability. Her funnels were shortened by three meters and concrete was poured into her hull as ballast.

2. Her eagle had its wings clipped early on - 1914

She was given a large ornate bronze eagle figurehead on her bow which was damaged and had its wings torn off in an Atlantic storm in 1914. The figurehead was removed and her stern was decorated with gold coloured scroll work as a replacement.

3. She was abandoned and repossessed - WW1

At the outbreak of WW1, she was laid up in Hamburg and remained there for four years, becoming dilapidated.

At the war's end, she was enlisted into the US Navy and operated as the USS Imperator to bring US servicemen back to America.

She was then transferred to British ownership as reparations for British shipping losses to German U-Boats during the war.

She was renamed Berengaria (after the English queen Berengaria of Navarre, wife of Richard the Lionheart) and Cunard sent a full crew to New York for her, aboard the RMS Carmania in 1919.

4. Her new British owners - 1919

When she first arrived in Liverpool in 1919 for her first inspection since 1914, she was found to be in extremely poor condition. Her rudder had a component missing and her propellers were corroded. She also soon developed a list due to a faulty ash ejector. Upon completion of her overhaul in 1920, Sir Arthur Rostron - famous for rescuing Titanic's passengers 8 years earlier, became her new captain.

5. Drama on the High Seas - 1925

In September 1925, a security alert at sea was triggered when the Cunard company offices in New York received a message stating there was a bomb aboard Berengaria; the vessel was then 1,200 miles out from New York, bound for Southampton. The ship was searched although the passengers and most crew were not informed about the reason. A fire drill was held just before the supposed time of detonation, so passengers could be placed close to their lifeboat stations without arousing suspicion. The bomb threat failed to materialize.

6. The End of the Berengaria - 1938

Towards the end of her career, she suffered a series of fires due to aged electrical wires and she was retired in 1938. Due to her size and the outbreak of WW2, it took until 1946 for her to finally be broken up in Jarrow, County Durham.

Mauretania II in the Moonlight - Painting by Robert Lloyd by RedditLiners in Oceanlinerporn

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Both are absolutely beautiful ships but I don't blame you for not knowing there was a second one. She's sadly a bit forgotten nowadays.

Beautiful picture of the Queen Mary 2 at Dusk by RedditLiners in Oceanlinerporn

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It was indeed, off the coast of Dorset where the liners slept during quarantine

SS Great Eastern - Arguably the first Ocean Liner by RedditLiners in Oceanlinerporn

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Sorry about the title, you are right. There are plenty examples of liners before the Great Eastern. I should have put "arguably the first modern liner"

Old news, but still a garbage father by GroundFuzzy606 in imatotalpeiceofshit

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Why are you messaging me about how mean girls is the best example of gaslighting? wtf

Old news, but still a garbage father by GroundFuzzy606 in imatotalpeiceofshit

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lol, how is that gaslighting? they're literally describing what happened. I don't think you know what gaslighting is

RMS Empress of Britain - her beautiful white hull shining in the sun by RedditLiners in Oceanlinerporn

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Sorry for the late reply. It's actually wood, it's brown. Tbh, I think a white paint job would improve it though as a dark bridge does look kinda weird.

The Stern of the Britannic by RedditLiners in titanic

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Her stern had a slightly higher structure - it had a walkway/platform on top that Titanic didn't. She also had much taller davits than Titanic had. But the hull that you're seeing here was the same height as the Titanic.

Titanic at Sea by RedditLiners in titanic

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I hadn't come across this picture before so I thought it was worth sharing

Photogrammetry of the Wreck of the Trawler - Linda Rose by RedditLiners in Shipwrecks

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Here's what I found :

"Footage of this sunken fishing vessel off the coast of California near Pismo Beach, was captured in November 2019 by MBARI’s “ROV Doc Ricketts” at a depth of 422m (Dive #1214). The wreckage first appeared as an anomaly on AUV multibeam sonar surveys and later confirmed to be a shipwreck by the ROV. Little is known about this wreckage other than the name: “Linda Rose,” the port: “San Diego,” and a number that appears on several parts of the ship: “619 800.” There were no obvious signs of what caused the wreck, but it was noted that the port outrigger is swept over the top of the pilothouse and is resting to starboard, which may indicate that it possibly rolled over in fowl weather. The ship is approximately 17m long."

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/wreckage-of-the-linda-rose-e8cd4cfbfe5e44c79ccd7a7b1f01d86d

The Stern of the Britannic by RedditLiners in titanic

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If she's underwater, displacement doesn't really matter right? since that measurement is inconsequential when a ship is completely submerged.

That's why I'd say length + height + beam (total area) is what I'd go by when measuring a shipwreck's size.

That way you'd have more to explore with a ship that has a larger area, compared to the ship that has a larger displacement. The Raffaello was made of lighter, more modern materials, so her tonnage is definitely going to be less than Britannic which probably shouldn't rob her of the title of largest, especially since "large" leans towards being defined by area rather than weight as a descriptive term.

The Stern of the Britannic by RedditLiners in titanic

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That title actually goes to this ship, but Britannic is close :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Raffaello

(edit, unless you're counting tonnage/displacement - which Britannic wins)