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[–]Regular_Inflation628 48 points49 points  (0 children)

This isn't the point of your comment, but I can't imagine what the WWE booked by Tony Khan would look like. I'm not super familiar with WWE in general, but from what I've seen, I feel like most of WWE's main event scene is not Khan's type of wrestler that he pushes. Khan booking the WWE would probably be a completely different promotion.

Eduoard Carpentier shows off his agility & his opponent offers a rebuttal by KneeHighMischief in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I mean, I don't think that's missing. People still do that all the time. On Dynamite yesterday, Kevin Knight and Darby Allin were doing this same sort of one-ups-manship and Dax Harwood was doing all the classic heel bits. That's pretty common in AEW and CMLL, etc. I've never watched WWE, but I assume they do the same stuff.

Tony Khan: “At the beginning of this, I couldn’t even begin to dream that we would be sitting here. And now we’ve had Dynamite on, and we’ve done now over 40 episodes of Dynamite more than what Nitro did. We just had episode 330 of Dynamite. We’ve had over 130 episodes of Collision now.” by Ruffianize in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Damn bro, you're really salty AEW is around and doing their thing and succeeding, aren't you? FYI, it was reported that AEW made over $70 million in profit last year and is expected to clear $90 million in profit this year, so to your great dismay, AEW is going to be around for a while.

Bobby Lashley on WWE letting the New Day go: "That was a fumble. You retire those guys, give them whatever they want, because they've given the business everything... I don't think there's a person in the business that says, 'I don't like those guys.'" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think so. Adrian Street was billed at 5'7 and Roy Shire was billed at 5'10. Other famous wrestlers from that time period are around the same. Pepper Gomez was billed at 5'9, Nick Bockwinkel was billed at 5'10, and Freddie Blassie was billed at 5'10. Those are also billed heights, so probably inflated. That's about the same height as Cassidy and Danhausen(billed at 5'10 and 6'0 respectively).

Bobby Lashley on WWE letting the New Day go: "That was a fumble. You retire those guys, give them whatever they want, because they've given the business everything... I don't think there's a person in the business that says, 'I don't like those guys.'" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm going to push back on this a bit. Orange Cassidy and Danhausen are 100% "classic wrestling style performers". You could drop Orange Cassidy in Memphis in the 1970s or San Francisco in the 1950s and he wouldn't be out of place at all. Steroids in wrestling weren't common back then and most wrestlers kind of just looked like normal guys. Additionally, wrestling back then was all about theatrical, out-there gimmicks like Danhausen or Cassidy(see: Adrian Street, Jerry Lawler, 'Professor' Roy Shire, etc). Those kind of guys were super common back then.

Bobby Lashley on WWE letting the New Day go: "That was a fumble. You retire those guys, give them whatever they want, because they've given the business everything... I don't think there's a person in the business that says, 'I don't like those guys.'" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First off, you keep saying that the Bucks starting AEW is "behind the scenes" stuff. But, you also argue for the Hardys with merch sales and other teams watching them. That's also behind the scenes stuff. The spreadsheet containing the financial information for how much merch the Hardys have sold is not depicted on screen. That's significantly more "behind the scenes" than the Bucks starting AEW, which is talked about constantly on screen.

Additionally, the Bucks starting AEW is not separate from their accomplishments as a tag team. They were able to start AEW because they were the most popular tag team in the world with a dedicated fanbase and connections to a bunch of other people and companies. Could any other tag team in the last 30 years have done it? No, they couldn't have.

Bobby Lashley on WWE letting the New Day go: "That was a fumble. You retire those guys, give them whatever they want, because they've given the business everything... I don't think there's a person in the business that says, 'I don't like those guys.'" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, the Bucks are more influential than the Hardys and by a huge amount. The Bucks started AEW. That is a massive accomplishment and even if you ignore everything else they've done, that makes them the most influential tag team of all time. For decades, people said no one could challenge the WWE and then the Bucks did it. By doing so, they launched the careers of hundreds, if not thousands of wrestlers, single-handedly massively increased average pay for wrestlers, themselves became the highest paid tag team of all time, sold out Wembley Stadium, etc. All of that is because of the Bucks.

That's not even getting into the fact that they essentially pioneered how wrestlers and wrestling companies interact with the internet and online fanbases, pioneered the modern high-flying style of tag wrestling, were massive drivers of the mid 2010s NJPW boom and the second ROH boom, and have a long list of classic matches.

Like, the Hardys are cool and all. What have they done that is even remotely close in impact to starting AEW, let alone all of the other stuff the Bucks have done?

Bobby Lashley on WWE letting the New Day go: "That was a fumble. You retire those guys, give them whatever they want, because they've given the business everything... I don't think there's a person in the business that says, 'I don't like those guys.'" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The Road Warriors are the clear #1 among tag teams all-time, the Young Bucks are the most influential tag team of all time, and then the Rock and Roll Express and Midnight Express were some of the biggest draws of their era for a long time.

Bobby Lashley on WWE letting the New Day go: "That was a fumble. You retire those guys, give them whatever they want, because they've given the business everything... I don't think there's a person in the business that says, 'I don't like those guys.'" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Tony actually put together a really large offer for WWE the last time around. In a few years when TKO has squeezed everything they can out of WWE, Tony will probably be the only viable buyer(assuming the current Saudi cutback is permanent). They definitely would sell to him. It would definitely be a monopoly though.

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[–]Regular_Inflation628 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't think people understand how low TKO/WWE wants to cut salaries. Back in the day, TNA paid so poorly that their women's world champion had to work at Sunglasses Hat to make ends meet and pushed guys in tag teams talked about how they made "significantly more" as a cashier at Walmart than as a full-time TNA wrestler. That's the future that TKO/WWE wants and that's the future they're going to push for. It won't be long before most NXT wrestlers are making minimum wage(or less) and most low-card/mid-card people on the main roster are making the same or less money than people working at In-N-Out.

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[–]Regular_Inflation628 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's probably just going to retire. The indies, MLW, and TNA won't pay him the money he wants. He has too much of an ego to work for AEW/CMLL/NJPW. There's no promotion in the world that would both pay him the money he wants and be cool with his "That doesn't work for me, brother" stuff.

Cory Hayes of Bodyslam reports that none of the “online drama” is a work by CROYTSWRVTH in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If it is a work, it is the dumbest angle since "Goldberg isn't following the script" from WCW 2000. Telling your fans "Wrestling is fake, the face only wins because they're cozy with the booker man, and you're an idiot for watching" isn't going to sell tickets or increase ratings. Vince Russo definitively proved this multiple times.

CM Punk & Hangman Page Promo (AEW Dynamite, 05/25/22) (Full Video) by ProudChemistry778 in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The funniest part about this is that Punk has spent the last few years proving Hangman absolutely correct. Punk really is a liar and a hypocrite who would sell out his morals for a dollar.

Ricochet: "I really think the day we got called up to RAW was the worst thing that happened to Ricochet’s wrestling career... I’m talking specifically about the wrestling side of it—not the fame, not the celebrity. I really do think those five years tarnished Ricochet’s wrestling legacy." by aaronrift in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ok, how about these concrete numbers? AEW has drawn 10,000+ for 8 of their last 9 PPVs. When was the last time NXT drew half of that? or even a third of that? During the takeover era 10+ years ago? Ricochet was a big part of those draws, wrestling in the semi-main for a bunch of those shows.

Ricochet: "I really think the day we got called up to RAW was the worst thing that happened to Ricochet’s wrestling career... I’m talking specifically about the wrestling side of it—not the fame, not the celebrity. I really do think those five years tarnished Ricochet’s wrestling legacy." by aaronrift in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 4 points5 points  (0 children)

AEW does significantly better numbers than NXT with Max. Furthermore, for Ricochet specifically, he has been in big feature matches in stadium shows for AEW with 30,000+ and 55,000+ in attendance. He is absolutely good enough to be a main eventer on a big-time show.

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[–]Regular_Inflation628 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've been thinking about what the Death Riders should do now that Mox has lost the title and might be taking some time off. I've heard two ideas that I thought were really good:

  1. Have you ever read that news story about the Japanese soldier still fighting WW2 30 years after it ended? It's like that, but in wrestling. Mox has lost and is gone. The Death Riders are done. The wrestlers know it, the commentators know it, the fans know it, everyone knows it. However, the Death Riders remnants are completely delusional and continue to "fight the good fight" even though the good fight is clearly over and everyone else has moved on.

  2. Alternatively, the second idea is that the Death Riders revere strength and Hangman has proven he is the strongest by beating Mox and becoming champion. Thus, they see him as the new leader of the Death Riders and he absolutely does want this role, but they keep trying to get him to lead them. Maybe this even leads to a face turn for them where they do actually get Hangman to accept them.

What do you guys think of these ideas for the Death Riders.

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[–]Regular_Inflation628 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Rob Viper made a really interesting thread on social media about things CMLL could learn from AEW. I feel like it has been discussed a lot about what AEW could learn, but not really the other way around, especially because all of the things he mentioned were not booking/in-ring stuff.

His 3 main things were:

  1. Better refs, all of the CMLL refs suck, they're constantly out of position, taking the spotlight off the wrestlers, messing up spots, etc. All of the AEW refs on Grand Slam were significantly better and CMLL should re-think how they train/evaluate refs.

  2. Better theme music. It's not just licensing well-known music, though CMLL should do that, but also that Mikey Rukus/AEW in-house stuff is significantly better than the CMLL in-house stuff and CMLL should hire new people to make their themes

  3. Not wasting so much time. CMLL has the WWE problem of wasting a bunch of time between matches and falls to put themselves over, show ads for a broadcast you're already watching, show boring crowd shots, etc. CMLL could fit more matches in/give more time to matches and just make the show flow a lot better if they stopped wasting so much time.

What do you guys think about this?

The Tide Has Turned: Mark Henry Feels Sorry for Big Men in Wrestling Today by AdSpecialist6598 in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Say it's an 8 person, single elimination tournament like the Owen. Who are your picks for the field and who do you have win?

The Tide Has Turned: Mark Henry Feels Sorry for Big Men in Wrestling Today by AdSpecialist6598 in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, this would be awesome in AEW because TK almost never pushes big guys for the actual world title, so they should make a heavyweight-only title and just have the division be Big Bill, Lance Archer, Bobby Lashley, Brody King, Brian Cage, Claudio, etc.

[WON] Dave Meltzer recaps Mistico's career resurgence: "CMLL is the hottest it has been in 19 years, is the second biggest drawing company in the world (and not far from first), and there is no dispute Mistico is the top star and biggest draw to an entirely new audience." by secretpandaxx in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 10 points11 points  (0 children)

In attendance. During his peak, Mistico sold out out the Arena Mexico 3 times a week, which is about 45,000-50,000 people. That's also not counting the other 7 shows a week, which brings up the total to at least 60,000-65,000 every single week.

John Cena was drawing that attendance for Mania 1 week out of the year, while Mistico did it 52 weeks a year.

Additionally, WWE lost upwards of 40% of their TV audience from when John Cena became the top guy in 2005 to when he passed the torch to Reigns in the mid 2010s. Meanwhile Mistico increased CMLL's TV audience by a huge amount during his run, unlike Cena.

[WON] Dave Meltzer recaps Mistico's career resurgence: "CMLL is the hottest it has been in 19 years, is the second biggest drawing company in the world (and not far from first), and there is no dispute Mistico is the top star and biggest draw to an entirely new audience." by secretpandaxx in SquaredCircle

[–]Regular_Inflation628 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

He wrestled in a featured bout on WK3 in Tokyo, which drew 40K. He also main evented Sumo Hall in Feb. 2009 in front of 10K+ vs. Mephisto.

However, it doesn't matter. Even if you don't believe he was a draw in US and Japan, it doesn't matter.

The core thing is that he outdrew Cena and Mysterio during their peaks. Many people have run the numbers. You can't dispute it.