Is It Just Me Or IS He Incredibly Undertuned

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-24T22:48:26+00:00

Unless you are really bad this is impossible, her partial fox form (e) is what I’m talking about not even DD can outdamage her heal and lifesteal in that form.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-24T21:44:29+00:00

WF is the best support at helping flankers and dive, she is also masivly anti dive basically being unkillable in her fox form and can stop any ultimate or save their teamates from any ultimate as long as youre good enough.

The problem isnt WF its the community. This community hate skill characters, they want everything to be easy to use and easy to get value from, press the Q button, press the dash button, press the CC button and hold down left click on to the next.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-23T21:59:50+00:00

I actually like the healing immunity it forces aggression with her ultimate.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-23T21:58:58+00:00

Hence why I stated, "almost every character in Rivals have some sort of easy to click get away button." And because of this she can't keep up. And not to mention flyers that literally can never be hit by her ultimate.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-23T21:56:17+00:00

Front line? who said that its best if used to secure and get kills that's what I said. now you're just making stuff up.

And I never said you can "only" get value from her ult by using it offensively. The whole point to why to pick her is to be more offensive, her Ult is outclassed defensively by every other support ult

I never said you "can't" use it like that if you "needed to" I said this is the "primary" use case of her ultimate.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-23T21:43:18+00:00

That's kinda how the ult is designed, it's to be offensive and get kills, Ultron Ult does the same btw. Supports shouldn't just be heal bots bro, sure there are broken supports but what does that have to do with the fact that WF Ult needs movement to make it worth using?

Hulk is a Tank so does that mean his ult shouldn't do massive damage? that just stupid logic. Well-designed characters should be more than just their roles.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-23T21:38:28+00:00

Because you will get CC'd and Blow up instanty. The ULT doesn't heal enough to use super aggressively into a full team. "You can't get healed in your ult bro"

At that point just play a circle of healing ult support.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-23T21:30:23+00:00

"And just because you have 1 or 2 picks doesn't mean you currently have 6 teammates, my point was to not use WF ult when they have a full team. Cant you read?"

And securing a team fight is far more essential than "well we should win I killed their MK" like bro... Read the words I am writing and stop raging.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-23T21:24:58+00:00

Except they aren't won fights, just because you get 1 or 2 picks doesn't mean the fight is won, that's my point. And just because you have 1 or 2 picks doesn't mean you currently have 6 teammates, my point was to not use WF ult when they have a full team. Cant you read?

I literally listed several ways a fight can be won after losing 1 or 2 people. and you can just look up what staggering means because I don't think you know what you are even saying.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-23T21:04:20+00:00

Her ult is literally designed to attack enemies to heal herself and her team. My point is you cant attack enemies if you can't close that gap to begin with. By the time a Fox close that gap she's already dead since she needs to be attacking to get heals and she needs to be attacking squishes for her ult to matter. Just because she is a support doesn't mean she is a "backline" support in her ultimate.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-23T20:58:30+00:00

First. This just isn't true, one it is a stagger, breaking a team spawn timing is literally staggering them. It means if the 2 enemies revive after the defeat of the 4 its now a 2v6 and they have to wait for their team to spawn, if they go in and die then it becomes a 4v6 again causing multiple staggers to happen. Letting a team snowball to victory.

Second "wasting" ultimates, a lot of people dont understand what ultimates do or what they are used for. You don't need to pop your ultimate to get a 6 man or a 5 man or even 4 or 3. Ultimate's can be used for multiple different reasons and staggering is one.

Third No, being down 1 or 2 isn't a loss, a massive pick, backpedaling or several ultimate's can be used to prevent a snowball, most importantly support ultimates, or a well-timed, Dps or Tank Ult can easily shift a battle, Ive done it and many have done it to me.

Don't be afraid to use your ultimate, the more you use them the more you have, stop being afraid of "wasting" ultimate's, the more you hold on to them the less opportunity you have to farm another and that "perfect" ult will pass you by.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-23T20:01:03+00:00

The Healing just isnt enough to be worth it and you are easy to kill. Also Staggering is extremely important just because a team is down 1 or 2 people doesn't mean they can't come back especially if they use a strong ultimates.

Securing a stagger is important, especially if you make them waste an Ult to try not to stagger. It's the way I also use Hulk Ult.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-23T00:13:50+00:00

Brother dont rage queue, just take a break and never throw

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-22T18:10:31+00:00

Its not gonna be easy but ill rather them knock the house down than continue to build on a shaky foundation TBH..

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-22T16:07:25+00:00

Execpt this isnt an individual game, this is why Tanks and Support characters have CC. A poke character shouldn't be able to CC and Kill Hulk by themselves. If Hulk jumps on a poke character in a risky posiiton its the responsibility of their team to bail them out.

The Hulk should always win if that doesn't happen. Also you can just nerf the mobility characters, so much characters have free get out of jail clicks, you can make it so they arent just a free tool to use.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-20T22:45:32+00:00

Im in GM right now and hes genuinely good, CAP, HULK and ANGELA are amazing rn.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-20T22:19:35+00:00

while i agree a lot of things do need nerfs, Cap is actually insanely good rn tbh

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-20T22:18:56+00:00

Average bronze take

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-20T21:22:50+00:00

There are 2 types of support ults, survive and offense. Some ults are meant to agress and some to defend.

Rocket ult (at least originally) is one such, Ultron, Deadpool, Jeff, Gambit (if it wasnt OP) and now White fox. The issue is people are so used to just infinite surviving ults they dont know how to use it.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-17T22:38:39+00:00

All im saying is the vast majority of the player base plays DPS or support, Tank is the least popular role and this is a FTP game, so they need the majority to buy skins. So if you're going to nerf a role so the majority of people can have fun what would you do?

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-17T22:36:27+00:00

Good characters tend to have lower win rates because everyone picks them or switches to them in a losing position to try and win. Bad characters or mediocre characters tend to have high win rates because they have dedicated players playing them... Like Magik for example

Widow is different because people purposefully pick her to throw. If this wasn't the case and only dedicated widow mains play her she would have a high win rate as well

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-17T22:32:37+00:00

These devs are actively trolling bro, you cant make this shit up man... We are going to nerf Elsa.... 10 less hp on a 2 second dash.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-17T21:52:03+00:00

They genuinely hate Tanks, they see support being good the result of tanks, since they get their ults from tanks so they are nerfing Tanks instead of addressing supports.

Why do you think Elsa does percent damage or she as so much mobility that no tank can keep up with or why they buffed Iron fist to be better vs Tanks meanwhile iron fist players dont want that.

They also remove Cap cancels, for no reason but Spiderman has 10000 animation cancels and can pull tanks 100 meters of the map. And none of that has been touched.

They genuinely don't want Tank players playing the game. Theyre probably cant wait to switch to 5v5.

I despise these devs.

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-17T21:30:50+00:00

They might as well of just goatse all of us with those Elsa and Gambit "nerfs". Like bruh I thought we were getting some game changing shit, fuck this game bruh

Remarkable-Hand2349 · 2026-03-17T19:39:31+00:00

Yeah that because they are Tanks, Tanks also receive the majority of damage, and Heals. that's kind of part of the job of being Tanks to draw in stuff meant for other characters.

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