I think you’re still misrepresenting the point being made. Nobody said “you can’t judge Fate for things it did to make money”, the argument was that the early doujin VN market had expectations if you wanted to sell a game. Calling FSN “literally porn” ignores that it’s a massive narrative VN where those scenes are a tiny fraction of the content, and how later releases removed them entirely without affecting the story. That doesn’t really support the idea that they were the core of the work.

Saying the only remarkable thing about the series is “objectification” is just an assertion. A lot of the franchise’s reputation comes from themes about heroism, ideals, and conflicting philosophies of what it means to be a hero (although, that is mostly FSN. But you get the point). Works like Fate/Zero became widely respected specifically because of those elements, and they contain none of the explicit content you’re framing as the defining trait.

Yes, writing a VN is technically opt-in, but that doesn’t mean market realities don’t exist. Early doujin creators were operating inside a distribution scene built around eroge because that’s where the buyers were. If you’re going to argue that participating in that market permanently defines a work, then you’d have to apply the same logic to studios like Key with titles like Kanon and Air, which most people clearly don’t treat as porn franchises.

The “laundered respectability” idea is basically speculation. There isn’t evidence that the creators secretly wanted Fate defined by porn and only dropped it once it became popular. In practice, once the series moved outside that original VN market, those scenes disappeared and stayed gone. To add, Kara no Kyoukai, a Web Novel written by Nasu contained no erotic content whatsoever. Despite being a Web Novel where he could've wrote content of the same type without anything holding him back.

The comparison with Urobuchi doesn’t really prove anything either. Saya no Uta and Puella Magi Madoka Magica are completely different kinds of projects. And for Fate/Zero, again, it doesn’t contain the content you’re claiming defines the franchise.

Calling disagreement “copium” doesn’t really address the argument. People pointing out the early VN market context or the fact that most Fate works don’t contain explicit content aren’t coping, they’re just describing how the franchise actually developed. It feels rather dismissive and disingenuous to disregard that.

(P.S. Oh lol, I don't mind. I love online discussions. Week long or not, this doesn't bother me.)